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ToughBowtieTruck

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There's an emissions storm on the horizon folks.

https://www.carscoops.com/2020/12/15...efeat-devices/


The AED report also reveals that states without regular vehicle inspections have a higher percentage of diesel trucks with defeat devices. For example, as many as 18.6 per cent of North Dakota’s pickup truck fleet in 2016 is estimated to have defeat devices. Other states high up in the list include Idaho with 15 per cent, Wyoming with 14.2 per cent, Maine with 13.5 per cent, and Michigan with 13 per cent. At the bottom of the list is California with 1.8 per cent, hardly a surprise given its strict enforcement of emissions standards.
 
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Not surprising as removing or defeating emissions devices is against federal law. That's what the feds used to go after all the "tuner companies".

You're right, but why does GM get to discontinue producing said components for vehicles? If I can't get the OEM part, how do I fix it to OEM spec?
 
You're right, but why does GM get to discontinue producing said components for vehicles? If I can't get the OEM part, how do I fix it to OEM spec?

Send it to the junkyard and buy a new truck jackass!:flipoff2:

Dizzle ricers ruining it for everyone else like people said they would 15 years ago. The .gov is so slow, rolling coal and exhaust stacks arent even cool anymore. :shaking:
 
You're right, but why does GM get to discontinue producing said components for vehicles? If I can't get the OEM part, how do I fix it to OEM spec?

It's not just GM. Most car companies stop producing parts for vehicles at a certain point. Our daughter has CJ7 with a Ford 5.0L Mustang V8 and she can't find a number of the smog parts for the motor.
 
Send it to the junkyard and buy a new truck jackass!:flipoff2:

Dizzle ricers ruining it for everyone else like people said they would 15 years ago. The .gov is so slow, rolling coal and exhaust stacks arent even cool anymore. :shaking:

yeah, but the shit thing is it sounds like they'll be the catalyst for mandatory emissions inspections everywhere, and probably for everyone.

which sucks balls.
 
Dude got nailed for deletes a few years ago in Atlanta.

Hotshot driving a newer 1 ton truck was hauling ass around the perimeter road mid day. Rolled coal pass a Georgia State Police (GSP) officer (cliff notes: zero sense of humor and carry a library in their trunk so they can throw books at people all day). Pulled over, did an inspection and found he was fully deleted. Truck impounded and so was his load, then owner/operator had the book thrown at him.

All this emissions stuff is why we have the new Ford Big Block gas engine. Rental and local fleets want power but ditch diesel. Any fuel savings go out the window the second it needs a HP pump. Yeah lacking those torque numbers but not by much. Especially for rental fleets.

My realtor in Atlanta bought a diesel Range Rover Sport. He drives a shit ton so 30mpg was doing well for him. Of course DEF fluid issues put that car in the shop for 2 weeks while they figure it out. I'd love a diesel SUV (like the Tahoe) but it isn't worth it anymore. Always checking for water in the fuel and wondering when the DEF sensor is gonna stop you dead in your tracks. Or hoping this fuel station didn't buy 2nd hand shit fuel with algae and other bullshit in it.
 
You're right, but why does GM get to discontinue producing said components for vehicles? If I can't get the OEM part, how do I fix it to OEM spec?

manufacturers are required to supply repair parts for 10 years after manufacture. Running a repair shop,, i can tell you GM is the worst for giving tough bow tie fans the fuck you at 10.0 years.
 
manufacturers are required to supply repair parts for 10 years after manufacture. Running a repair shop,, i can tell you GM is the worst for giving tough bow tie fans the fuck you at 10.0 years.

why are they required to even do that? seems awful government-overreachy to me
 
Federal government has no business regulating vehicles in the first place. IMO, Trumps greatest failure was not eviscerating the out-of-control EPA. The only hope now is that paying for all this corona virus stimulus crap will require severe budget cuts elsewhere including the EPA.
 
Unpopular opinion here, but me thinks its an old timey throwback to when we tried to keep corporations from unbridled fucking of us.

Really sucks telling a guy he can't fix his 06 Silverado because he has the oddball brake code out of 4 possible and GM decided to stop making his brake booster.
 
I was rolling some nice black smoke hauling cattle to the sale barn in my 1994 F-350 with the non-turbo IDI in it today... :flipoff2:

my '93 only smokes white at idle
from the holes in the cylinder walls and the shit fuel

musta been the lack of sticking an allen wrench into the triangular window
 
Unpopular opinion here, but me thinks its an old timey throwback to when we tried to keep corporations from unbridled fucking of us.

Really sucks telling a guy he can't fix his 06 Silverado because he has the oddball brake code out of 4 possible and GM decided to stop making his brake booster.
you mean to say "really sucks telling a guy he was an idiot and bought something that is designed to be unrepairable"

but wait, "too big to fail"
fuck everything
 
Lets all just buy a new truck rather than repair a minor issue due to "no product support" think why 10 years is not a bad thing.
I have 100 year old hand tools that still do the job they were made to do.
think yer towpig will do that without factory or oem replacement parts?( and no china parts do not count)
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I get the whole emissions thing...I really do...I think.




But riddle me this.



In 2012 the district I worked in bought a brand new VACON. was super sweet, all the bells and whistles, everybody loved it.

Hell...I loved it., it was great and shiny.


But it did not pull down near the fuel mileage that the old 96 did.


So perhaps the emissions are better.

But if you have to fuel up twice as much are the emissions really better?

Serious question.
 
Lets all just buy a new truck rather than repair a minor issue due to "no product support" think why 10 years is not a bad thing.
I have 100 year old hand tools that still do the job they were made to do.
think yer towpig will do that without factory or oem replacement parts?( and no china parts do not count)
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mine's fine, they made the same fuckin' truck for 29 years, same engine for 21, plenty of used spares, and plenty of turdpolishing can be done because there's all of one wire leading to the engine

my point was, if they're making shit that ain't lasting, let them go bankrupt through natural market forces
 
But it did not pull down near the fuel mileage that the old 96 did.
So perhaps the emissions are better.
But if you have to fuel up twice as much are the emissions really better?
Serious question.
I brought this up on the old board once and got shat on by all sorts of californians who "saw the amount of smog decrease over the decades"

I'm still unsure, especially as an extra gallon of fuel burned is a damn sight more than just 1 more gallon pumped out of the ground.

my car gets nearly 50 miles to the gallon, it smokes a little so you can certainly see the pollution it makes, but I can't see it being less eco-friendly than dumping 10mpg worth of crystal-clear exhaust outta any number of brand new shitboxes, never mind the environmental cost of making these new vehicles and scrapping out the old ones
 
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So perhaps the emissions are better.

But if you have to fuel up twice as much are the emissions really better?

Serious question.
Great question. After wasting a couple thousand at different dealerships trying to get rid of the CEL on my 6.7 Cummins and with the latest recommendation being to try replacing the DPF (for another three grand) I said fawk it and had a local diesel shop delete everything. I've never been one to pay attention to fuel mileage but the increase was quickly obvious even to me.
 
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I brought this up on the old board once and got shat on by all sorts of californians who "saw the amount of smog decrease over the decades"

I'm still unsure, especially as an extra gallon of fuel burned is a damn sight more than just 1 more gallon pumped out of the ground.

my car gets nearly 50 miles to the gallon, it smokes a little so you can certainly see the pollution it makes, but I can't see it being less eco-friendly than dumping 10mpg worth of crystal-clear exhaust outta any number of brand new shitboxes, never mind the environmental cost of making these new vehicles and scrapping out the old ones






And there is a valid point here as well...



Rigs 20-30-40 years old are still road worthy in the driving around aspect.

Most of the new stuff is basically junk at the end of a loan.
 
And there is a valid point here as well...
Rigs 20-30-40 years old are still road worthy in the driving around aspect.
Most of the new stuff is basically junk at the end of a loan.

historically it was the justification by the hippies in the '70s for their driving clapped out old volkswagens and shit
it does sorta pan out into truth, but that doesn't sell brand new shit so of course it is advertised against heavily
 
Great question. After wasting a couple thousand at different dealerships trying to get rid of the CEL on my 6.7 Cummins and with the latest recommendation being to try replacing the DPF (for another three grand) I said fawk it and had a local diesel shop delete everything. I've never been one to pay attention to fuel mileage but the increase was quickly obvious even to me.





I am honestly by no means an electric guy.


But if some of the things I have been reading lately are true...Then maybe there is that.


I'll likely be dead before that happens though:laughing:
 
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