Criminal possession of a weapon.

[BUCKLAND]

Not true.

I was convicted of possession of illegal weapon, in CA. It was a tire knocker I bought at a Flying Js and cop considered it a billy club. My criminal record shows it as a misdemeanor.

Hood rat

 

[bad zuki]

In NY if you assault someone with a tree branch, they will charge you with criminal possession of a weapon. Same charge applies if you point a toy gun at someone during an altercation. How common is this in other states, or is it yet another NY exclusive?

Noted. If I’m in that awful state again and attacked, pull my “concealed weapon” out and beat them senseless. It’s sexual defense, not assault. They assulted me your honor.

Side note. Motorcycle chain is what I keep in truck.

 

[Krackle959]

It's crazy how pussified our country has become. When I was in highschool, a number of seniors had rifle racks in their back windows and their deer rifle in them, me included. I can't remember the last time I saw a back window rifle rack.

We all had rifle racks in the back windows of trucks, or a gun on the passenger side of said vehicle during hunting season at school. My senior year after some parking lot break ins and guns stolen, the school decided to have students check their guns in at the office instead of leaving them in vehicles. I remember the office secretary’s area having 30 or more rifles and shotguns on a daily basis.

I graduated in 1999, and it wasn’t a couple years later that they stopped it. Hell now we can’t even bring the half track on school grounds to line up for the Memorial Day parade as it has 2 fake 50 cal guns on it.

 

[junkytj]

I flew OAK to SeaTac w/ a carry on satchel full of tools. 7 circular blades, superbar, catspaw, 19oz decker, 24oz framer, and several sharp chisels. They took nothing.

That was late 2000

On the way back, SeaTac said no to the sawblades but long handled hammers with rip claws and strong prybars / chisels were ok.

Dam. My chisels are the sharpest things I own. I'm pretty sure the useless tards at security would cut themselves to ribbons trying to inspect one.

 

[JK13]

I had an incident many years ago when my father in law gave me a 3/8" torque wrench. It was his, from his career as a mechanic. I tried to fly with it in my carry on bag and got flagged at security. An argument ensued about it being a weapon because I could hit someone with it. When I pointed to a lady's baby and declared it a weapon because you could hit someone with it I realized I should stop because I wanted to get on my plane. The lady was less impressed with me than the TSA agent.

Had something similar happen years back. Forgot about a 3/8 drive ratchet in a backpack and almost missed my flight over it. Fuckin TSA took it of course

I can't remember the last time I saw a back window rifle rack.

My brother has one in his truck, I drive a 4runner so my shit just chills on the passenger floorboard

 

[GM Guy]

I hears the same thing
if you think how cops think, that checks out, they twist reality

Its what makes the difference between a weapon of oppertunity vs carrying a weapon ('must not be for playing baseball if you don't have a ball to play it with...').

 

[arse_sidewards]

Its what makes the difference between a weapon of oppertunity vs carrying a weapon

Being dumb enough to talk to cops.

 

[grumpy356]

Being dumb enough to talk to cops.

You know the Supreme Court approved Stop & Frisk.

Another sign of how fucked up our courts have become.

 

[Thefishguy77]

I hears the same thing
if you think how cops think, that checks out, they twist reality

I carried a ball and glove for the same reason. Never played baseball…

 

[Filthy McChevy]

All my vehicles have axes, hammers, knives and machetes in them, trucks have pipes, axe handles, shovels and multiple crowbars too. . Just the shit you need to live. Chunks of chain too.

 

[trampas]

All my vehicles have axes, hammers, knives and machetes in them, trucks have pipes, axe handles, shovels and multiple crowbars too. . Just the shit you need to live. Chunks of chain too.

Your San Jose is showing.

 

[Yota Up]

All my vehicles have axes, hammers, knives and machetes in them, trucks have pipes, axe handles, shovels and multiple crowbars too. . Just the shit you need to live. Chunks of chain too.

So makes one thing a weapon and another a tool, in the eyes of the law?
Be nice to hear from Bonanza on something like this.

 

[Filthy McChevy]

Your San Jose is showing.

East San Jose. At least I didn't go to Overfelt. Def the worst High school for a whitey.

 

[Aisin]

So makes one thing a weapon and another a tool, in the eyes of the law?
Be nice to hear from Bonanza on something like this.

It becomes a weapon if you use it as a weapon dumbass.

 

[BDK]

So makes one thing a weapon and another a tool, in the eyes of the law?
Be nice to hear from Bonanza on something like this.

If a bat or axes handle is modified (cut down, graffiti, spikes, etc.), if when asked about whatever it is and the owner says it's for "protection" or similar term. For a felony, there is usually "intent" in the wording of the law. That's hard to prove without someone answering questions.

Not sure about other states, but the law about clubs and billies in California has been struck down and is under appeal. It should go away soon.

 

[WaterH]

So you carry a bat and ball. A base ball makes a pretty good weapon.

Next question, can the base ball glove have studs on it?

 

[87manche]

I flew OAK to SeaTac w/ a carry on satchel full of tools. 7 circular blades, superbar, catspaw, 19oz decker, 24oz framer, and several sharp chisels. They took nothing.

That was late 2000

On the way back, SeaTac said no to the sawblades but long handled hammers with rip claws and strong prybars / chisels were ok.

the TSA rule now is no tools longer than 7(?) inches.

I have to pack my calipers in my checked luggage and that sucks.
but the m18 batteries heavy enough to bludgeon you to death with have to be taken in my carry on because lithium batteries.

it's all theater.

 

[Chadwick]

It's crazy how pussified our country has become. When I was in highschool, a number of seniors had rifle racks in their back windows and their deer rifle in them, me included. I can't remember the last time I saw a back window rifle rack.

We went to school same era apparently!
Back window racks had a shot gun and a lever action here... wasn't only one at school with rack in back window...theirs full as well...

 

[87manche]

We went to school same era apparently!
Back window racks had a shot gun and a lever action here... wasn't only one at school with rack in back window...theirs full as well...

shit, during the opening days of deer season they used to excuse you for half a day to go hunting.

bunch of cars with shotguns in them outside for half the day.

 

[Thefishguy77]

shit, during the opening days of deer season they used to excuse you for half a day to go hunting.

bunch of cars with shotguns in them outside for half the day.

Our district give you the day before and the following Monday off still for deer season

 

[Bebop]

shit, during the opening days of deer season they used to excuse you for half a day to go hunting.

bunch of cars with shotguns in them outside for half the day.

I worked at a plant in VA where they gave you the whole day. Paid.
Or people wouldn't show up to work anyway lol

 

[OHV Wildcat]

All my vehicles have axes, hammers, knives and machetes in them, trucks have pipes, axe handles, shovels and multiple crowbars too. . Just the shit you need to live. Chunks of chain too.

 

[Bonanza]

Not true.

I was convicted of possession of illegal weapon, in CA. It was a tire knocker I bought at a Flying Js and cop considered it a billy club. My criminal record shows it as a misdemeanor.

It's a wobbler offense, meaning it can be charged as both- PC 22210. But Saint Benitez (San Diego judge where every pro-2A case is filed so as to ensure he hears it) has declared that section unconstitutional. Like all of his rulings, expect it to be appealed and the final outcome is entirely uncertain. What is for certain is that there won't be a final decision for a long time. Either way, I can't give legal advice over the internet but if I had a similar conviction on my record, I would look into a motion to have it expunged. As an aside, if you had a copy of the penal code and dropped it, and the page opened to PC 1203.4, well gee wiz you would be a lucky guy.

Federal judge rules Calif. billy club ban unconstitutional

U.S. District Judge Roger Benitez stated that the prohibition, which has an exemption for police officers and state-certified security guards, "unconstitutionally infringes the Second Amendment rights of American citizens"

www.police1.com

Now, to the urban legend of having a glove/bat... that doesn't matter. (Kind of) The potential innocent nature of an item (a la "this giant metal pole is actually a flashlight, officer!) isn't important, as long as it contains the elements of the weapon that is forbidden. That said, it is not strictly illegal to have a bat in your car, but I can see an instance where having a glove would matter in a hypothetical case. I have never, ever seen a case where someone is arrested, charged, or convicted of this alone. If this was true, every sporting goods store would be guilty of a crime. And a hockey stick would be the same thing. I would never think twice about having a baseball bat in my car, alone, for self defense. But, producing a bat is a 100% surefire bad idea, and it's hard to think of a situation where simply driving away would not be smarter. I personally have a sheathed, large knife under my seat. Knives are not considered illegal (unless its a switchblade, butterfly, etc). This is part of the idea of the current appeal. It's absurd to ban batons.

Most laws will prohibit the item itself, meaning possession of it at all is a criminal offense. In addition, you can be charged with 245A1 (assault with a deadly weapon) to wit: (item), and that item can be a battleaxe down to a pencil. As long as that item can cause great bodily injury or death, it can qualify. For instance, I had a case once where a guy tried to suffocate his wife with a pillow. That counted.

There are also various enhancements that can be charged, specifically 12022(b)(1), that 1 year if you are armed with a non-firearm in the commission of specific offenses.