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These people know no bounds. They are worse than my 2 year old when she doesnt get what she wants





WASHINGTON — President Biden on Friday will order a 180-day study of adding seats to the Supreme Court, making good on a campaign-year promise to establish a bipartisan commission to examine the potentially explosive subjects of expanding the court or setting term limits for justices, White House officials said.

The president acted under pressure from activists pushing for more seats to alter the ideological balance of the court after President Donald J. Trump appointed three justices, including one to a seat that Republicans had blocked his predecessor, Barack Obama, from filling for almost a year.

The result is a court with a stronger conservative tilt, now 6 to 3, after the addition of Mr. Trump’s choices, including Justice Amy Coney Barrett, who was confirmed to replace Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg just days before last year’s presidential election.

But while Mr. Biden, a former chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, has asserted that the system of judicial nominations is “getting out of whack,” he has declined to say whether he supports altering the size of the court or making other changes — like imposing term limits — to the current system of lifetime appointments.

It is not clear that the commission established by Mr. Biden will by itself clarify his position. Under the White House order establishing it, the commission is not set to issue specific recommendations at the end of its study — an outcome that is likely to disappoint activists.

In his executive order on Friday, the president will create a 36-member commission charged with examining the history of the court, past changes to the process of nominating justices, and the potential consequences to altering the size of the nation’s highest court.

The panel will be led by Bob Bauer, who served as White House counsel for Mr. Obama, and Cristina Rodriguez, a Yale Law School professor who served as deputy assistant attorney general in the Office of Legal Counsel under Mr. Obama.

Progressives say that Republicans unfairly gained an advantage on the court by blocking Mr. Obama’s nomination of Judge Merrick B. Garland in 2016, and they see adding seats to the court, setting term limits or instituting other changes as a way to offset the power of any one president to influence its makeup. Conservatives have denounced the effort as “court-packing” similar to the failed effort by President Franklin D. Roosevelt in the 1930s.

The issue of whether to alter the size of the court, which has been set at nine members since just after the Civil War, is highly charged, particularly when Congress is almost evenly divided between the two parties. An attempt by Mr. Biden to increase the number of justices would require approval of Congress and would be met by fierce opposition.

The commission is intended to provide a forum to debate the issue that is protected from the passions that will continue to rage in the political arena, according to people familiar with Mr. Biden’s intentions.

Justice Amy Coney Barrett took her seat just days before the 2020 presidential election.Credit...Erin Schaff/The New York Times
The president understands, they said, that changes to the size of the court, or limitations on the length of time that a justice can serve, would be “reforms for the ages” that would have far-reaching implications for the courts for decades, not just during Mr. Biden’s time in office.

During his campaign for president, activists urged Mr. Biden to promise that he would expand the court as a way of countering the conservative mark that Mr. Trump was able to put on the institution. In addition to Justice Barrett, Mr. Trump also appointed Justices Brett M. Kavanaugh and Neil M. Gorsuch.

“There’s growing recognition that the Supreme Court poses a danger to the health and well-being of the nation and even to democracy itself,” said Aaron Belkin, the director of the group Take Back the Court. “A White House judicial reform commission has a historic opportunity to explain the gravity of the threat and to help contain it by urging Congress to add seats, which is the only way to restore balance to the court.”

Mr. Biden has refused to clarify his view on the issue and instead, in an interview on “60 Minutes” in October, promised to create a commission.

“I will ask them to, over 180 days, come back to me with recommendations as to how to reform the court system, because it’s getting out of whack,” he told Norah O’Donnell of CBS News.

Mr. Biden may get his own chance to shape the court this year if Justice Stephen G. Breyer retires at the end of the current term. Justice Breyer, 82, is the oldest member of the court and the senior member of its three-justice liberal wing. Progressive groups are becoming increasingly aggressive in demanding that he step aside while Democrats still control the Senate and the confirmation process.

But Justice Breyer warned this week that efforts to expand the court for political reasons could undermine the trust that the public has in the court and the decisions that it makes on important issues.

“I hope and expect that the court will retain its authority,” he said. “But that authority, like the rule of law, depends on trust, a trust that the court is guided by legal principle, not politics. Structural alteration motivated by the perception of political influence can only feed that perception, further eroding that trust.”
ImageMr. Biden has asserted that the system of judicial nominations is “getting out of whack,” but he has declined to say whether he supports altering the size of the court or making other changes.Credit...Amr Alfiky/The New York Times
Activists who say a larger court would give Mr. Biden the chance to appoint a number of liberal justices may be disappointed by his commission. People familiar with its charge from the president said the group will avoid making any recommendations to Mr. Biden or lawmakers.

Instead, the panel of scholars, lawyers, political scientists and former judges will produce a research paper designed to be an authoritative analysis of the issue. The goal, the people said, is not to settle on an answer, but to provide Mr. Biden, members of Congress and the public an evaluation of the risks and benefits of making changes to the court.

In a statement to be released Friday, the White House said the commission would examine “the genesis of the reform debate and the court’s role in the constitutional system; the length of service and turnover of justices on the court; the membership and size of the court; and the court’s case selection, rules, and practices.”

The commission’s members include liberal scholars like Laurence H. Tribe, a professor emeritus at Harvard Law School and a leading progressive voice in the legal community, and Caroline Fredrickson, the former president of the American Constitution Society.

But progressives may balk at some of the conservative members of the commission. They include: Jack Goldsmith, a Harvard Law School professor who was a top Justice Department official under President George W. Bush; Adam White, a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute and a professor at George Mason University’s Antonin Scalia Law School; and Keith E. Whittington, a professor of politics at Princeton University who takes an “originalist” view of the Constitution.

People familiar with Mr. Biden’s selections for the commission said they expected some members to offer evidence promoting the benefits of making changes to the court, while others would emphasize the costs or consequences of altering the current method of selecting justices. Those discussions will be presented in the report, which is set to be finished in October.

In his order, Mr. Biden instructed the commission to hold public hearings on the issue and to accept testimony and submissions from other legal experts, organizations and members of the public who want to weigh in.

Among the questions that he wants answered: How should the strengths and weaknesses of proposals to expand the court be evaluated? Would expansion require other reforms, such as the creation of a panel system for sittings? How does the history of efforts to expand or contract the size of the court bear on the questions being debated?
 
“There’s growing recognition that the Supreme Court poses a danger to the health and well-being of the nation and even to democracy itself,” said Aaron Belkin, the director of the group Take Back the Court. “A White House judicial reform commission has a historic opportunity to explain the gravity of the threat and to help contain it by urging Congress to add seats, which is the only way to restore balance to the court.”

Well... this part is accurate... The SCOTUS has allowed politics to interfere with their job... just not in the way that the author likely believes.
 
Does anyone doubt what this commission will recommend?
 
Sarcasm: what does it matter when the SC refuses to hear cases that actually matter? They'll change it to 15 seats and add 6 more 'radical activist progressive' "judges" (that don't even have law degrees) that will magically not have any sort of hearing before being sworn in.
 
Sarcasm: what does it matter when the SC refuses to hear cases that actually matter? They'll change it to 15 seats and add 6 more 'radical activist progressive' "judges" (that don't even have law degrees) that will magically not have any sort of hearing before being sworn in.

pack the court enough in one direction, and they will happily hear cases that matter... there will be plenty of motivation to stomp the COTUS.

Kind of like Kostmayer (sp) not recusing herself on the ACA case... when she helped write the legislation. Rules for thee, not for me...
 
Does anyone doubt what this commission will recommend?

No, but if we lived in any normal reality they'd recommend expanding the lower courts for the first time since the 60s. In particular breaking the the Ninth District into new districts that can more accurately represent the populations in those states.

The SCOTUS doesn't need to be expanded. They wouldn't be overloaded if the lower courts actually upheld the SCOTUS' rulings.
 
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No, but if we lived in a any normal reality they'd recommend expanding the lower courts for the first time since the 60s. In particular breaking the the Ninth District into new districts that can more accurately represent the populations in those states.

The SCOTUS doesn't need to be expanded. They wouldn't be overloaded if the lower courts actually upheld the SCOTUS' rulings.

If we lived in a normal world, Hariden would not have been elected.
 
ain't getting the pitchforks out yet on this. Yay another commission study, other then a gigantic waste of time and money nothing ever comes of them.

oh :mad3: biden, whiney asshat
 
ain't getting the pitchforks out yet on this. Yay another commission study, other then a gigantic waste of time and money nothing ever comes of them.

oh :mad3: biden, whiney asshat

Lets hope this ends in a dead end study and a "Hey at least we tried".
 
Lets hope this ends in a dead end study and a "Hey at least we tried".

Maybe itll be a Durham type investigation "Yall just hang on, im almost going to think about telling you that i might investigate something."


They wont expand the court. They will recommend term limits/age limits, and recommend the racial/trans/gender make-up of the court. im guessing they'll recommend 5 women atleast, of that 3 would need to be POC and or LBGQT, and they will have term limits of 18 years of service (3 senate terms) and/or mandatory retirement at age 73, whichever comes first.
 
Exactly. They're supposed to rule on the constitutionality of a law, not on some ideology.

It has been taught for decades now the the constitution is a "LIVING DOCUMENT"

And on top of that, the POWER they wield. Power corrupts.
 
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It has been taught for decades now the the constitution is a "LIVING DOCUMENT"

And on top of that, the POWER they wield. Power corrupts.

just read that Demand Justice super liberal lobby group that Jen Psaki-bomb used to work for is demanding that Breyer resign immediately so they can appoint a black woman as an SCJ.

id nominate Candice Owens.
 
They should keep the same number of seats, but institute a mandatory retirement age of 70 or something like that. We don't need a bunch of half dead zombies doing that job. Retire, go play bingo, golf, shuffleboard and enjoy your grandkids.
 
Fuck the Democrats. Fuck anyone who votes for Democrats.

Welcome to Germany in the late 30's folks.

Yep.

I'm not saying Republicans, or any other party is right... but all Democrats, and the people that vote for them, are terrible people.
 
The real question is how do we get term limits on the seats that actually matter... The ones those old greasy bastards on both sides are sitting on in the Senate and House.
 
The real question is how do we get term limits on the seats that actually matter... The ones those old greasy bastards on both sides are sitting on in the Senate and House.

I think that would do more good than SC limits...being a politician should not be a life long career.
 
Fuck the Democrats. Fuck anyone who votes for Democrats.

Welcome to Germany in the late 30's folks.

Young people don't know this because real history is not taught anymore.

Didn't biden say a bunch of times that he was not interested in packing the court and it was just trump that was saying that he wanted to?

Guess trump was right again
NPR 10/13/2020
After weeks of deflecting on whether he would seek to increase the number of justices on the Supreme Court if elected president, Democratic nominee Joe Biden on Monday went the furthest he's gone on the issue as of late, saying he's "not a fan."

"I've already spoken: I'm not a fan of court packing, but I don't want to get off on that whole issue. I want to keep focused," the former vice president told WKRC-TV after a campaign event in Cincinnati, Ohio.

Biden, who polls show is leading the presidential race with just three weeks to go, largely pitched an economic message in Ohio.

"The president would love nothing better than to fight about whether or not I would in fact pack the court or not pack the court," he added.
 
Packing the court aside, I find this statement particularly troubling:

“There’s growing recognition that the Supreme Court poses a danger to the health and well-being of the nation and even to democracy itself,” said Aaron Belkin, the director of the group Take Back the Court..."

Like with so many other things during the pandemic, it seems "health", "safety", and "well-being" is being used to justify all types power grabs and trampling of rights, now up to and including declaring the SCOTUS a health risk...
If this is how liberals in power are truly thinking, we all are in big trouble.
 
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just read that Demand Justice super liberal lobby group that Jen Psaki-bomb used to work for is demanding that Breyer resign immediately so they can appoint a black woman as an SCJ.

id nominate Candice Owens.

That's the type of stupidity we DO NOT NEED. The only thing that should be considered is if they know the law and will enforce the constitution.
 
They should keep the same number of seats, but institute a mandatory retirement age of 70 or something like that. We don't need a bunch of half dead zombies doing that job. Retire, go play bingo, golf, shuffleboard and enjoy your grandkids.

So, Justice Clarence Thomas should be retired ? Be careful what you wish for.
 
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