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Cam shaft over advanced?

deadmeat

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My daughter has a 2015 Hyundai Sonata.
Code P0014. B camshaft position - Timing over advancement. or system performance.
Bank 1 exhaust camshaft position timing was advanced beyond limits for a predetermined period of time.

WTF. Never heard this one.
Any Ideas?
Advice?

TIA
 
look at the vvt solenoids the screens might have schmutz in them, hinting at schmutz being through the screens hanging the solenoids open or some such shit

iirc they're up on the valve cover on those but it has been a while
 
does it run shitty? unplug that camshaft position sensor by the gear and see if it runs fine afterwards, if it does the CvvT is probably shot.
 
Had similar with my wrx, the alignment pin hole on the avcs cam gear was worn out and allowing too much movement. Unplugging the cam sensor made it run right.


On another note, the reason I have a wrx, is because the Hyundai I was driving ate itself on my way back from lunch one day. :homer:
 
Does it get fairly regular oil changes? Could be carboned/sludged oil in the cam phaser not letting it return to commanded position. I used to do a metric shitton of GM 3.6's that would throw P0011 and/or P0014 for stretched timing chains. Could probably still do them in my sleep we did so many. Did a few cam phaser spool valves where the screens would clog up or fall off and cause correlation codes too.
 
Chain stretch or bad chain guides can cause it. Does it sound like a blender full of marbles when you cold start it?
 
My daughter bought it used.

Oil changes since she has owned it are once a year, about 6 or 7 thousand miles of driving. Amsoil for the oil.

As far as noises, with this daughter, I would have to drive it. She had a ford something she drove until the timing chain broke, never reported shitty running.
She had a Subaru she drove until it just stopped moving, never reported the clutch slipping. When I opened it to change the clutch it looked like black cotton candy in there (I should have taken a picture)

She doesn't notice when her car is running poorly, so she killed a Toyota Avalon right before this car. (Engine seized)


I just re read his, how did it say she bought it new, she got it used. Not sure how it ws cared for before she got it.
 
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deadmeat said:
My daughter bought it new.

Oil changes since she has owned it are once a year, about 6 or 7 thousand miles of driving. Amsoil for the oil.

As far as noises, with this daughter, I would have to drive it. She had a ford something she drove until the timing chain broke, never reported shitty running.
She had a Subaru she drove until it just stopped moving, never reported the clutch slipping. When I opened it to change the clutch it looked like black cotton candy in there (I should have taken a picture)

She doesn't notice when her car is running poorly, so she killed a Toyota Avalon right before this car. (Engine seized)
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I don't blame her, I blame her father:flipoff2:
 
Otto M@n said:
I don't blame her, I blame her father:flipoff2:
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Hey!!!

Daughter number 2 is good with cars.

Has a GTI now.
Took it to the drags strip to see what she could do with it.

But mostly, notices how it runs and how it sounds.
Knows when it's right and when it's not.
 
Blugreenformula said:
Chain stretch or bad chain guides can cause it. Does it sound like a blender full of marbles when you cold start it?
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Naw. Base cam timing will be straight up or slightly retarded due to wear and stretch. Over advance will usually be caused by a sticking actuator (sprocket) or a sticking vvt solenoid. Cam timing will always retard as the sprockets and chain wear.
 
Otto M@n said:
I don't blame her, I blame her father:flipoff2:
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My brother asked me about finding a good running 22re last night. I did a refresh on a truck 7-8 years ago for his neighbor and now the truck is dead after he let his daughter drive it. The dudes daughter does nothing but destroy vehicles like it's her job. She drives them until they stop. She puts gas in them and puts it to the wood. We figure her dad has bought her about 20 rigs in the last 10 years. :homer:
 
I'm not gonna say it because I don't need to. :laughing:

Edit: To DWT, not about the daughter, in case that wasn't obvious.
 
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yozsi said:
Naw. Base cam timing will be straight up or slightly retarded due to wear and stretch. Over advance will usually be caused by a sticking actuator (sprocket) or a sticking vvt solenoid. Cam timing will always retard as the sprockets and chain wear.
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I had a 2L in an elantra I sold had the same codes. put both vvt solenoids in it with no change. so I read that the chain streches causing the same code/complaints. bought a timing set from hyundai and it didnt fix the light either. :laughing: car ran great, no driveability whatsoever. I know the customer pretty well and told her that I now own the car with her. if it has any issues let me know. that was 2 years and 50k ago. lights still on and the car runs great. :confused::laughing:
 
Ok, update.

Got advice on what to do.
Called my daughter and asked her the most basic question, had her check the oil.'Not even touching the dipstick.:shaking:

told her I was on my way.
Beside stick or stuck actuators, low oil pressure can cause the issue. So low oil could be it. Advice also says change the oil.So I went over to change it.
Drained about 1 quart out.
Changed the oil and filter. reset the code.
Test drove the car. Everything ran and sounded fine.
She has an appointment to get a recall done on the 30th, so if it comes back before then the dealer can check on it and give her an estimate.
 
She ran one of the worst engines in the world out of oil? It’s gonna grenade in no time. :lmao:
 
xr-nut said:
I had a 2L in an elantra I sold had the same codes. put both vvt solenoids in it with no change. so I read that the chain streches causing the same code/complaints. bought a timing set from hyundai and it didnt fix the light either. :laughing: car ran great, no driveability whatsoever. I know the customer pretty well and told her that I now own the car with her. if it has any issues let me know. that was 2 years and 50k ago. lights still on and the car runs great. :confused::laughing:
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Probably should have changed the actuators then.
 
deadmeat said:
Ok, update.

Got advice on what to do.
Called my daughter and asked her the most basic question, had her check the oil.'Not even touching the dipstick.:shaking:

told her I was on my way.
Beside stick or stuck actuators, low oil pressure can cause the issue. So low oil could be it. Advice also says change the oil.So I went over to change it.
Drained about 1 quart out.
Changed the oil and filter. reset the code.
Test drove the car. Everything ran and sounded fine.
She has an appointment to get a recall done on the 30th, so if it comes back before then the dealer can check on it and give her an estimate.
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your kid, so do what you want.

In the last ten days, we've swapped 2 motors for NO oil. One in a ecoboost v6 explorer and one in a 2013 grand cherokee. Both womem drivers.

if she/you dont want a giant shop bill, Id beat it into her to change her oil.
 
Pretty much all bottom end failures are brought on by people ignoring critical fluids.
 
I knew it was oil related instantly. Couple that with a young female driver that engine is doomed. Be ready to put an engine in her car when it locks up on her for running it dry.
 
Aisin said:
I knew it was oil related instantly. Couple that with a young female driver that engine is doomed. Be ready to put an engine in her car when it locks up on her for running it dry.
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Like I said, she's done it before.
Don't know she ran it dry, but locked up the motor on that Avalon.
 
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