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Anyone ever had their place logged?

Subzer008

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Like the title says... Anyone ever had their land logged? Have 136 acres in Upstate NY that looks to have been logged about 25 years ago. After a little research it looks like most people recommended using a forester as a buffer between owner and logger. Couldn’t think of mush worse things than a logger coming in and making a mess of your property.

So who’s done it?
 
What kind of trees are you logging? We logged pine trees a couple years ago and I used a forester. They are the ones with all the connections and knowledge about pricing, which I knew absolutely zero about. What's your plan? Cut and then replant? Or??

One thing I will say for absolute certain is to plan on the loggers to make a pretty big mess of the place. It's far too time consuming for a logging company to log a property "neatly".. it's not how they operate really. Once its done they can bring in a shreader or a forestry mulcher to grind that is left over, but its very expensive.. especially for that many acres.

We cut and replanted and honestly it was a nightmare. The logistics of everything couldn't have gone any worse..timing the herbicide treatments, weather, issues with the tree supplier, the time of year... yikes. I still would use a forester next time, but I would do my homework and make sure I pick the right one... and not a family friend.
 
Folks a bit down from the road from us had their place logged. For two weeks they had some unit mounted on a semi-truck bed. 7am they'd fire that thing up. Straight out of Mad Max. They even had a skeleton mounted on top of the thing. Didn't see it in action, but I'm guessing it was a chipper. Loud as SHIT. 7am to 7pm that thing ran. They completely trashed the area. The paved portion of the road is torn to hell. There's ruts all over. Slash everywhere. Total mess.
 
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Folks a bit down from the road from us had their place logged. For two weeks they had some unit mounted on a semi-truck bed. 7am they'd fire that thing up. Straight out of Mad Max. They even had a skeleton mounted on top of the thing. Didn't see it in action, but I'm guessing it was a chipper. Loud as SHIT. 7am to 7pm that thing ran. They completely trashed the area. The paved portion of the road is torn to hell. There's ruts all over. Slash everywhere. Total mess.
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Sounds like those boys brought in a tub grinder.

Drop the trash trees in the top and it will grind them up into pulp material
 
Parents had some logged. Be careful and get everything in writing and contracted. Most will come in and cut the shit out of everything, top and limb what they want and leave a mess.

theres still some that log with mules. It takes longer but much less of a mess. They tend to only cut what they are taking out but you can require that the brush be put into piles.
 
Mr Stubs said:
Sounds like those boys brought in a tub grinder.

Drop the trash trees in the top and it will grind them up into pulp material
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Yea, no idea. Did have a funnel looking thing. Massive machine. They had a grapple parked next to it to feed it I guess. It was the opposite way I go to work. 7am on the dot except Sundays. The noise it made was haunting.

Looked at pics of a tub grinder, nope. The funnel portion was horizontal. I'm guessing it was a chipper run by some 2T Detroit from the 60s.
 
Also visit your assessing office for intent to cut if your state has such a thing.
 
not a good year to have anything logged, unless you selling walnut to the amish. hold off a year.
also you need to walk the land, and mark what you want removed. or they will go in there and destroy what want. have it in writing of what their plans are for reconstruction of land and water protection plans.
that is what you hire a forester to do.
 
Thumping said:
Parents had some logged. Be careful and get everything in writing and contracted. Most will come in and cut the shit out of everything, top and limb what they want and leave a mess.

theres still some that log with mules. It takes longer but much less of a mess. They tend to only cut what they are taking out but you can require that the brush be put into piles.
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I grew up in Amish country. When those guys bring in the 4 legged critters to drag trees they destroy everything. I’m talking fucking Hiroshima level mess.
 
We have on our place for oak and cedar. Ask your neighbors that have had it done how it went with who. If you don't have neighbors, get references from loggers and call and talk to them. Not as good as finding the people on your own as they aren't going to give you the people they pissed off. You need to define what constitutes "mess." We are used to dozer decks for a couple of years and then burn, so not a big deal to us. Wasn't a big deal to them to have a dozer come in for a day or two after they are done to pile up the slash. We have them outline where they are going to cut for roads ahead of time or they will take out anything in their way. Set up your accounting method on the contract.
 
Shoot me a pm with an email and I will send you a contract we have used with good results.
 
I have had a few properties logged.

So many variables that is would be hard for anyone to give you any specifics for your property.

My 1 property was 101 acres on the side of a mountain, I had just the large trees cut down. They made way more of a mess with the tops of the trees than I wanted.

The roads they cut in were not done with drainage in mind so many of them got ruts feet deep in them quickly.

The other property was all flat, 68 acres. Mostly pine. I had the whole thing cut, it is a real fucking mess now.
 
I do my own logging and would be very disappointed in the mesh left behind if I paid someone to do it. I have a few friends that are full time loggers and have said the prices are down for hard wood and okay for soft wood.
I use this website for a general price guide as it is usually updated every month. http://northeasttimberexchange.com/w...EP-10-2020.pdf

Also most of the big hardwood lots are bought up by this company out of Canada, they seem to pay the best http://www.amexhardwood.com/home.html
 
Neighbor had it done, selective, walk thru and its hard to tell it was logged.
Had a co worker that turned down logging his property while his neighbor was getting logged, they snatched some trees anyway, took awhile but he got paid .
 
Previous owner of my property had it done. It left an absolute mess. They went the cheapest route and left all of the stumps in place and the slash behind. We are still reclaiming after that mess... 8 years later. :mad3:

Part of me wishes for a well placed lightning strike, but there would be too much collateral damage
 
We are currently looking at having our place logged, its 150 acres and hasn't been done in over 60 years. It has been an experience so far, had one company working in the area come look at it with their forester and make recommendations and gave us a proposal. They suggested 50% canopy removal and the amount of wood removed would have been a lot for what they were thinking we would get paid. The contract was very one sided, no rate adjustments for price increases at the mill, and missing things like building an access road as we discussed, and not cleaning up the slash. I mentioned the road to them when we chatted and was told it would be an extra even though it was discussed and they knew what needed to be done for access. It is even shown on the site map they provided, but not written in the contract. I asked for references 3 times before they provided them, and when they did it was just current lot they are on, and the one before that.We passed on even talking to them further.

I checked around, and talked to some local folks and ended up with a logger we got a good feeling about, and I happen to know the forester he uses through work. They recommended a 30% canopy removal and plan on taking the mature, over mature, and diseased trees to give the next crop of trees a better chance of getting bigger and better. We have a ton of 12"-18" maple and red oak that are 40'-60' tall and straight. Given another 10 years or so they will be the money trees. Even went to look at a current job and one that was cut 10 years ago to see what condition the land was left in. My advice is find someone you can trust, see the lots they have done, talk to references, have a plan for what you want done, and make sure everything is in writing before you sign the contract.
 
The skidder and fellers showed up to my place this morning. I'll see if I can get some pictures when I get home.

No forester, I grew up with the logger so I'm fairly certain one of us is going to get screwed in some form or fashion. If you don't use a forester, get a copy of every load ticket. If you know the logger personally like my situation, make sure you get a copy of the load tickets.

I didn't select cut as I'm planning on clearing the property anyways, told him if he can get $ out of it, put it on the ground. I'm only looking at 8-10 acres with a lot of pine and oak. Oak will bring more than the pine, but it will also make a bigger mess with less logs per tree. They're bigger around, but not as tall. Also, if you are looking to maximize your money, make sure whoever the logging company is brings in someone to cut the skag blocks. Not sure they are called where you're at but those are the 4'-5'long logs cut from what's left of the trees after the full logs are cut. They are used to make furniture and other wooden items that you wouldn't cut a full log in half for. Probably wont get much money out of these, but it will save you a bunch of clean up with the tops that are left behind.
 
I have had my property logged...selective cut of hardwoods.

If your property has not been surveyed, get one and your lines marked. it gets real expensive real quick if you cut someone else's trees
I would recommend using a forester or timber consultant of some kind. Around here they charge about 10% commission.
Our forester put it out for bid....we had 10 buyers submit bids...the range from top bid to bottom was huge
A good forester will not work with fly by night operations and will advise you on the current market in your area
Do not let them cut during "bark slip" season (growing season for the trees when the bark loosens to allow growth, usually June -August....I think)
See if the loggers will purchase the tops for pulp or try to get an insured firewood supplier to cut up your tops
No matter the logger, its going to look like a bomb went off, but it will recover quickly and look good again in 3-5 yrs if done right
Make sure they don't only take the "good stuff", a good forester will mark to preserve the future quality of the forest

Good luck
 
Guess I should rephrase “mess”. I know what cutting trees down looks like and I know what cleaning up after yourself looks like.

I’m assuming it was cut 25+ years ago. Previous owner bought on 2003 and never had it logged but you can tell the old skidder roads and stumps from previous cuts. NY has a Forest conservative act that allows you to get a pretty decent chunk of taxes cut, much like an ag exemption. Part of the reason to bring a forester in. And they are taking a cut so they have some ownership in it. There’s good an bad companies in everything. Why would they want to deal with a bad.
 
We did selected about 5 years ago. When we had the property inspected, the forester told us the trees had essentially stopped growing due to density, and that thinning would/could improve health.

We used a different forester to identify trees and act as, essentially, a consultant. He worked with the loggers through the bidding process for us, and we paid him a flat fee.

We didn't make much money, but we didn't really hope to.

One thing we learned, which I didn't know ahead of time, is that unless specifically detailed in the contract, loggers will not clean up the tops...

I'm still cleaning stuff up 5 years later.
 
Thinking of having my 40 acres of various pine logged. Through work I'm told lumber prices are going up. Companies paying less and charging more?
 
As a forester, If you don't want to baby sit the thing, I would recommend getting a forester. They can help you permit the harvest, contract the logger, market the wood, and ensure contract specs are met. Look for a certified forester if that's the route you choose.

https://www.eforester.org/Main/Cert...spx?hkey=b4fe4aa3-20ae-40a4-80de-1b91e41b14e6

You may find a good logger and be able to skip that step, but I would want a pretty serious interview/references.

Lots of good points made about, especially about load tickets. You should be able to get load tickets and scale sheets to ensure that the logger is paying you completely. Make sure everything you want is written into the contract, clean-up, etc. You own the wood, you are in the superior position, don't get pushed around or pressured. The forester/logger/contractor should do exactly what you want.
 
White Oak is bringing damn good money. It's being bought and sent overseas.
 
Subzer008 said:
Guess I should rephrase “mess”. I know what cutting trees down looks like and I know what cleaning up after yourself looks like.

I’m assuming it was cut 25+ years ago. Previous owner bought on 2003 and never had it logged but you can tell the old skidder roads and stumps from previous cuts. NY has a Forest conservative act that allows you to get a pretty decent chunk of taxes cut, much like an ag exemption. Part of the reason to bring a forester in. And they are taking a cut so they have some ownership in it. There’s good an bad companies in everything. Why would they want to deal with a bad.
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I have my place, 100 acres done twice in the past 15 years and probably could do again in the next 5 . Are request was to pull the top to the clearings, which we have multiple. Whatever we didn't use for fire wood was a bonfire and woods stayed very clean. And as a bonus buy dragging top's out last time the maples were dropping seeds , so along the sides we have 100''s of new trees growing. Both guys were not keen on dragging out due to the tops can cause a lot of damage to trees getting pulled out , but are place has some what establish places to pull and the trees have damage from prior owner. And we're all set up to wheel here as far as trails and what not. I'm in NY(12066 zip) as well , pm me if you want a name of who nor let on your property!
 
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