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so with the vaccine rolling out, states dropping restrictions, and things attempting to go back to 'normal' can an employer make a mask as a form of PPE making it mandatory?
 
so with the vaccine rolling out, states dropping restrictions, and things attempting to go back to 'normal' can an employer make a mask as a form of PPE making it mandatory?

Not in HR,but I would say count on it.A private employer can call a pink tutu ppe if they want to.
 
I was told that not wearing a mask will result in disciplinary action. As this was being explained to us, the person explaining had their mask over their chin.

Probably one of those things where challenging it would be more of a pain than wearing the useless thing.
 
I was told that not wearing a mask will result in disciplinary action. As this was being explained to us, the person explaining had their mask over their chin.

Probably one of those things where challenging it would be more of a pain than wearing the useless thing.

I would have challenged that one right then and there :laughing:
 
i have not been formally disciplined, but have been talked to multiple times. owner is terrified of being sued and ask me to wear one as a favor. i generally wear one but if for some miracle the mandate is lifted, i know there are places that will continue to require them and i suspect my employer would be one of them.
 
Yes, a mask can be required PPE just like safety glasses or earplugs.


I feel like my hands are tied as a federal govt employee and part time military member. One of the two is gonna make me get the vaccine I'm sure. Maybe I'll just wear my wife's panties as a mask and see what they say.

For civilian .gov and there's no way our agencies can require it.

But .mil is another story... Line up and get stuck! I'm sure this will be better than the Anthrax shots from the early 2000s... :laughing:
 
I'd fucking quit.

what level of control are you willing to accept for material comfort?
anything above none is accepting tyranny.

I wear my mask from my desk to the shitter and my desk to the outside door. That's it. About fifteen seconds. Any business outside the office on work time, no mask. I'll deal with it for the benefits, vacation time, and paycheck.
 
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Honestly, people around here are done wearing them. I’m seeing a 70/30 shift now and that’s 70% NOT wearing a mask.

This won’t last, except maybe Cali or New York City.
 
Short of a union, an employer can mandate you wear pink shoes if they want. You really think all those Mcdonald's employees happen to like the same clothes? The market is your friend here, find an employer who aligns with you desires.

The EEOC says an employer can mandate a vaccine short of an ADA/medical or religious issue even though the FDA says the vaccine should not be mandated due to the type of approval. The catch here is that the labor market says that shit better stay voluntary or you won't have many workers. Surveys have shown around 30% will quit their job before taking the needle.

Edit: I'm not HR, but we just recently hired an HR guy, so I have had to keep up with this shit on my own in the recent past for my team.
 
They asked us to wear them at my work.
Two of us chose to not wear one. We have a large military contractor customer run by idiots and they will not let their employees go into vendors" buildings if they don't require masks. I told the owner of my work that I will wear one when that customer visits but only then. So far he's been cool with it.
Owner and his wife have both had Covid too. It was rough on them but they recovered at home in two weeks.
 
What does the handbook when you were hired say? Has it been updated and supplied to you?

Does it say anything about masks?
 
Short of a union, an employer can mandate you wear pink shoes if they want. You really think all those Mcdonald's employees happen to like the same clothes? The market is your friend here, find an employer who aligns with you desires.

The EEOC says an employer can mandate a vaccine short of an ADA/medical or religious issue even though the FDA says the vaccine should not be mandated due to the type of approval. The catch here is that the labor market says that shit better stay voluntary or you won't have many workers. Surveys have shown around 30% will quit their job before taking the needle.

Edit: I'm not HR, but we just recently hired an HR guy, so I have had to keep up with this shit on my own in the recent past for my team.

Bahah 30% are actually going to quit? I call BS on that.


You anti-masker's are just so whiny.
 
I'd fucking quit.

what level of control are you willing to accept for material comfort?
anything above none is accepting tyranny.

Your employer doesn't control every aspect of your employment other than you quitting?

If your employer mandates people wearing slacks, they wear slacks. if they tell you to come in and leave at certain times, you do it.

People like you are so funny how certain things are tyranny, but others are not. almost every aspect of your life is controlled by someone else.
 
Not in HR,but I would say count on it.A private employer can call a pink tutu ppe if they want to.

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it is their company, they say you wear underwear outside your pants as their uniform, wear it or be unemployed

Public/Government might be a different set of rules though
 
Bahah 30% are actually going to quit? I call BS on that.


You anti-masker's are just so whiny.

Well it was a US survey, not a survey of our hat. I don't suppose I trust your view on our culture much. You called me an anti-masker. Just curious why you have that impression?
 
Well it was a US survey, not a survey of our hat. I don't suppose I trust your view on our culture much. You called me an anti-masker. Just curious why you have that impression?

People talk a lot of talk, but 100 million people aren't actually going to quit their jobs over a mask.

The anti-masker comment was directed at this entire thread and the type of people in general. You yourself can call yourself whatever the fuck you want lol
 
I think we're banking on it being an enforceable policy, we have a couple of antimaskers that are worth less than a bottle of cold piss regardless of the status of their face coverings. My take is that they're just dumb enough to fight it all the way to a pink slip, or it'll at least pad jackets with some insubordination write-ups.
 
so with the vaccine rolling out, states dropping restrictions, and things attempting to go back to 'normal' can an employer make a mask as a form of PPE making it mandatory?

If they are calling it PPE then no, that needs to be backed up by a PPE hazard assessment and respiratory protection needs an air study and there needs to be thresholds established for contaminate load. Right now masks are mandatory at my job due to guidance from the CDC and they wrote company policy. OSHA also has guidance on this now for employers and will cite employers if you have covid case outbreaks at work through some temporary guidance they put out. We tell them our primary way to prevent this is cleaning and masks, show them a bunch of paper work and proof we an enforceing it and they say good day.

Long story short technically it's not PPE, but being kind of treated as that due the unique circumstances we are in.

​​​​​This is not legal advice, do your own research or call a lawyer.
 
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Your employer doesn't control every aspect of your employment other than you quitting?

If your employer mandates people wearing slacks, they wear slacks. if they tell you to come in and leave at certain times, you do it.

People like you are so funny how certain things are tyranny, but others are not. almost every aspect of your life is controlled by someone else.

Beyond telling me when work starts and tasks to complete, no. I really don't view work expectations and tasks as control.

if he starts telling me what I have to strap onto my face that has nothing to do with work, regardless of my beliefs on the matter, I'd classify that as control.

A dress code, kinda grasping at straws, as clothes are pretty much a basic human expectation. Masks are not normal human attire.
if you went into a nudist colony and suddenly started making employees wear clothes a year after opening, yeah, thatd be a bit controlling and I'd quit. Gonna let this pecker breath, tyvm.
 
If they are calling it PPE then no, that needs to be backed up by a PPE hazard assessment and respiratory protection needs an air study and there needs to be thresholds established for contaminate load. Right now masks are mandatory at my job due to guidance from the CDC and they wrote company policy. OSHA also has guidance on this now for employers and will cite employers if you have covid case outbreaks at work through some temporary guidance they put out. We tell them our primary way to prevent this is cleaning and masks, show them a bunch of paper work and proof we an enforceing it and they say good day.

Long story short technically it's not PPE, but being kind of treated as that due the unique circumstances we are in.

​​​​​This is not legal advice, do your own research or call a lawyer.

If its PPE against a biological contaminate, shouldn't they also be required to have clearly marked biohazard disposal sites for the soiled biologically contaminated materials (masks) and be required to have proper pickup of said biohazard materials?

I mean, lets be fucking logically consistent here.
 
In CA, if its an announced policy and part of your company's documented safety plan, you may be fired for cause without recourse. Violation of their documented safety plan is a violation of CalOSHA code, regardless of whether or not it exceeds CalOSHA minimum requirements and is considered a "Major Violation" (can easily be $10k+) and therefore considered a "reasonable liability". HR should pursue at least 1 documented warning to prevent future litigation. It's a code often overlooked and regularly exploited for fines. its management's call how they want to enforce, but shouldn't be selective.

I'm not HR, but run enough people and deal with safety execsenough that I cross this road on the regular.
 
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