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Any body done the Montana license plate trick?

IEATRKS84

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The montana license plate trick is you pay $800 to a Registered Agent in the state, they form an LLC for you in your name, you sell your car to the LLC (which you are a managing member of) and the RA registers your car at the DMV, then mails you the tags. Thus avoiding things like sales tax, personal property tax and inspections.

Im interested in it solely for the inspection portion for my K5 blazer. Long story short, i got into it with a local cop friday, who took my antique tags because the rear of my frame was 3" too high.
 

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So what happens if/when you get pulled over, and you have a CA drivers license (or whatever your state is) and Montana plates?

Just curious.
 

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So what happens if/when you get pulled over, and you have a CA drivers license (or whatever your state is) and Montana plates?

Just curious.

I used to play this game when i was at school in WV and my vehicles were titled at my moms place in VA. Did this for like 6 years or so. Cops never really cared. One state trooper cited me for no mud flaps on time, thats about it.
 

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It's a sketchy gray area to some, legit to others. I used it to make my SxS streel legal in NY as a 'Quadracycle'.

I have a trailer I need to sell to my LLC. That way I can get a life time registration with no inspection. It will save me hundreds a year in NY registration fees.

The problem areas are all in your states laws. NY has a law that says that If you are a resident and wholly own an out of state business but you park that businesses vehicles in NY, then you must register them in NY. So its a Gray area. Your Montana company will own the vehicle and per Federal reciprocity, if you can register it in one state, the plate is valid in all of them... BUT your state can make laws that say, if you park it here and reside here, you need a NY registration.

The SxS works because there is no such thing as a SxS in NY DOT law. They are not mentioned or covered, so I cant register it if I tried. It's all up to a judges interpretation if you get a ticket and need to fight it. But my trailer might not because there is a path to register it.
 
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I have a trailer that I am about to sell to my brother that lives in Montana so I can permanent plate it at a one time $150 fee instead of paying the crooks in Chicago $206/year.
 

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So what happens if/when you get pulled over, and you have a CA drivers license (or whatever your state is) and Montana plates?

Just curious.

i got pulled over a little bit ago in Nevada driving a vehicle with Washington plates (my name is not on the registration) using a California drivers license with a Virginia PO box as the address listed on it.

despite the cop being shitty about it and wasting a bunch of my time, none of it was illegal, car wasn't stolen, just a whole bunch of "well that's odd". Okay, odd isn't illegal.

In CA and likely VA, it is set up like NY. you have a 30 day grace period, beyond 30 days and you need to register it in that state. in order to lose that case you'd have to have a cop claim you used it over 30 days in that state and then you'd need to prove to the court that you have not.

people go for years and decades without current registration and a significant number of people still don't comply with drivers lic and/or insurance laws, so flaunt the law at your own risk.

As for losing your antique tags, that's bullshit.
 

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my trailer still has a VA registration on it because it is a permanent tag. haven't ever been hassled about it and don't expect to be. it's a homebuilt trailer tag so i'll likely not register a trailer again in my life :rasta:
 

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A year? Dam...

yep, Prickzker just doubled it, and it's due to go up more next year. I know a lot of guys here in So IL that are just letting the lic lapse and are going to chance it. I'm not sure if $200 is worth it for the 3 times a year I pull my big trailer.
 

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A year? Dam...

yep, the fat fuck governor passed new fees last year. car/truck plates went up $50 across the board and trailers went up $100 across the board. under 3k lbs trailers went from $18 to $118 a year
 

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Setting up a LLC in MT is pretty easy and not very expensive, registered agents are about $100 year. I think it’s $25 for the state fees.

Or just move to MT and avoid the paperwork :flipoff2:
 
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i know a guy who does it. when talking with him about he said he was advised by his legal council to register it in home state (if possible) first, pay your taxes and registration, then move it. based on his legal counsel's experience if you pay your fees to your home state, it shows its an estate plan not to avoid taxes and fees.
 

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i know a guy who does it. when talking with him about he said he was advised by his legal council to register it in home state (if possible) first, pay your taxes and registration, then move it. based on his legal counsel's experience if you pay your fees to your home state, it shows its an estate plan not to avoid taxes and fees.

Yah i did that. Put antique tags on the truck and it lasted maybe 4 months of driving before some dick head cop decided to fuck with me and take them. All over 3"
 

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I bought a horse trailer 2 years ago that has permanent MT plates. The lady I bought it from used to live in MT. She moved to OR 15 years ago, never registered it to here. I haven't registered it and tow it all the time. No issue as of yet but I haven't been pulled over either.
 

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Yah i did that. Put antique tags on the truck and it lasted maybe 4 months of driving before some dick head cop decided to fuck with me and take them. All over 3"

This is like the bead lock laws.

I have to see it to believe it.

Did he show you the exact code you violated? Because this sounds like bull shit on the cops behalf.
 

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its comical what some of you guys do.

Someone else's situation "move to another state if you don't like it"

Your own situation " i'll just knowingly break the law and not give a shit"


Its like the people that register their car in another state because the state they live in has sky high insurance rates. Well, maybe the insurance rates are sky high because of the risk for the state you're driving in.

Some states use sales tax to pay for roads. here in colorado, they use higher registrations fees, but our property taxes are next to nothing. If you register in another state (tons of Texas plates) you're just making everyone else pay for the roads that you're regularly driving on.

Work to get the laws changed, fees reduced, whatever.
 

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This story is a little dated (12 years now, wow!) but one of the parties charged in this story is a very close family friend. They knew what they were doing from the start was "questionable" but decided to roll the dice. They got caught... We are 99% sure the only way they were "caught" was someone took a lap around a campground and wrote down every MT plate they saw and cried to a news station. They basically got a slap on the wrist and paid the taxes they would have owed.

https://www.9news.com/article/news/i...w/73-343097615


USA - Colorado has charged 12 drivers with illegally registering their motor homes out of state and has ordered more than a hundred other drivers to pay unpaid sales taxes.

The hundred plus people must also register their RVs in Colorado.

In all, Colorado expects to collect nearly $3 million from 134 drivers whose license plates don't say 'Colorado'.

"These were people who were trying to dodge their taxes when they were owed here in Colorado," said Mark Couch, Public Information Officer for the Colorado Department of Revenue.

The state started an investigation last year after 9 Wants to Know exposed drivers who were cheating Colorado out of hundreds of thousands of dollars every year because they registered their cars, boats, truck and recreational vehicles out of state. Montana and five other states don't have any sales tax and have low registration fees.

9 Wants to Know also caught motor home dealerships in Colorado on hidden camera telling potential buyers they could save themselves thousands in taxes by registering their vehicles out of state.

The drivers would form Limited Liability Companies or LLC's in Montana, and then register their vehicles under the LLC there.

"It's a significant problem. At the end of this last legislative session, there was a rush to try to find money to help pay for crumbling bridges and roads in our state," said Couch. "This is a very significant problem and every penny counts toward making that work better for all of us here in the state."

The Colorado Department of Revenue worked with the Colorado Attorney General's office to investigate the drivers. All 12 of the people charged with failure to pay tax have pleaded guilty. They received deferred sentences and were ordered to pay restitution, register their RV's in Colorado and perform community service. The restitution for those dozen people totals $93,450. The state also ordered 122 other RV owners to pay $2,737,788 in unpaid sales taxes, penalties and interest.

"This investigation yielded very positive results in terms of finding people who were evading the law and we intend to make sure that people keep complying with the law," said Couch.

Some drivers complained to 9 Wants to Know that taxes are too high in Colorado. For example, sales tax and registration fees on an averaged-priced $150,000 motor home would cost $13,800 in Colorado, but would only cost $283 to register and license in Montana.


However, the state doesn't buy that excuse.

"Everybody complains about their taxes and we understand that, but relatively speaking, our CO tax burden is low," said Couch. "The state sales tax is 2.9% which is among the lowest in the country."

In Denver County Court, the following people were prosecuted: Terry and Mary Leonard, Christine Alfred, Steven Fry, Arthur Colton, Jack and Sandra Towle, Hilary Pruitt and Rockley and Dorothy Stene. In Boulder County Court, Charles and Sharon Winn were prosecuted.
 

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I used my home address in South Dakota to register my Jeeps, I looked at both Montana and South Dakota, it was easier to insure and cheaper with the mail forwarding service, I had my new plates in a week

I have never been hassled over them in Ca
 

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It seems like it would be much simpler to drop the ass of your blazer a couple inches and get over it.
 

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its comical what some of you guys do.

Someone else's situation "move to another state if you don't like it"

Your own situation " i'll just knowingly break the law and not give a shit"


Its like the people that register their car in another state because the state they live in has sky high insurance rates. Well, maybe the insurance rates are sky high because of the risk for the state you're driving in.

Some states use sales tax to pay for roads. here in colorado, they use higher registrations fees, but our property taxes are next to nothing. If you register in another state (tons of Texas plates) you're just making everyone else pay for the roads that you're regularly driving on.

Work to get the laws changed, fees reduced, whatever.

Oh fuck off.

Anyone with a double digit IQ knows that you have to pick your battles, you can't do everything perfectly and you can't always afford to pick the best solution in every situation. Sometimes you gotta make do. Sometimes that means just risking it with the law instead of moving states.
 

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For example, sales tax and registration fees on an averaged-priced $150,000 motor home would cost $13,800 in Colorado, but would only cost $283 to register and license in Montana.


However, the state doesn't buy that excuse.

"Everybody complains about their taxes and we understand that, but relatively speaking, our CO tax burden is low," said Couch. "The state sales tax is 2.9% which is among the lowest in the country."

this is the whole problem right here. $13,500 dollars is worth taking a risk for!!! Colorado’s registration taxes are outrageous. It costs me $400 bucks a year to register a truck in Colorado that my dad registers in New Mexico for $120. I’ve been entertaining the idea of trying the LLC.
 

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i looked at registering a few of my vehicles in Colorado, FAWK that shit. i just keep them tagged in Texas for the stupid money they want. and i don't have to get them inspected if they are out of state. i just sing a form and the girl gives me my registration.
 

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this is the whole problem right here. $13,500 dollars is worth taking a risk for!!! Colorado’s registration taxes are outrageous. It costs me $400 bucks a year to register a truck in Colorado that my dad registers in New Mexico for $120. I’ve been entertaining the idea of trying the LLC.

Yep!

Only reason I posted the article was I think I'm one of the few that actually knows someone that got caught. I haven't looked at other cases to see what the typical outcome was, but for my friends, it was pay the back taxes and some modest court fees. IF that is the typical resolution, that's probably worth the risk, realizing you might have to pony up the back fees at some point...
 

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This is like the bead lock laws.

I have to see it to believe it.

Did he show you the exact code you violated? Because this sounds like bull shit on the cops behalf.

swear to god. Ill take a pic of the ticket when i get home tonight. Cited me for "defective equipment" and claimed "modified suspension" and wrote down the distance, front and back, from bottom of frame rail to the ground. The front was fine, but the back was off by 3"
 

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Lots and lots of motorhome folks have been doing this for years. When your state charges reg fees based on MSRP, and you're talking a $150k or higher purchase it gets a bit ridiculous.

When I lived in Vegas I had three cars, my 2000 F250 PSD that had zero smog equipment on it, my street registered 85 Toyota rockcrawler, and a 1976 Porsche 911 that had a 86 engine in it. I finally registered all of them at a buddies house out of Clark County to get out of annual smog checks. Nothing to remove or replace or adjust on the PSD, and even with a mild tune on the engine it passed both times I took it in for testing. The 911 without a cat on it blew much cleaner numbers than the original engine did when it left the factory in 1976, and the Toyota saw maybe 100 miles a year of pavement, so fuck 'em. Make the game reasonable or I won't play it.
 

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swear to god. Ill take a pic of the ticket when i get home tonight. Cited me for "defective equipment" and claimed "modified suspension" and wrote down the distance, front and back, from bottom of frame rail to the ground. The front was fine, but the back was off by 3"

i never doubted you got the ticket. i just thought the law was bs, but somebody posted that up.


the law is stupid, you got hosed.
 
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