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Another frisky move by the atf

Yeah... I am more or less to the point of flat out ignoring any new (and some existing) laws from here on out.

All of that was exempt the minute they let fraud dictate the election results... our Republic is no more. Ergo, any authority they think they have is also, no more.
 
Yeah... I am more or less to the point of flat out ignoring any new (and some existing) laws from here on out.

All of that was exempt the minute they let fraud dictate the election results... our Republic is no more. Ergo, any authority they think they have is also, no more.

They only have as much authority as they are given by the people they think they rule.
 
Yeah... I am more or less to the point of flat out ignoring any new (and some existing) laws from here on out.

All of that was exempt the minute they let fraud dictate the election results... our Republic is no more. Ergo, any authority they think they have is also, no more.

This is about where I'm at with it anymore.

If this year has taught us anything it's that the law is basically meaningless and can be ignored whenever convenient.
 
http://archive.jsonline.com/news/opi...266677361.html

(2014) Sensenbrenner is right: It's time to dissolve the ATF

It's time to dissolve the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. In fact, it should have been dissolved years ago. It has disparate missions that overlap with other agencies' responsibilities. It has been micromanaged by Congress and mismanaged by its leaders. It serves no useful purpose that can't be met by other government bodies. It needs to go.

U.S. Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.) is working on a bill that would do just that, and we hope this effort is successful.

"By absorbing the ATF into existing law enforcement entities, we can preserve the areas where the ATF adds value for substantially less taxpayer money," Sensenbrenner said. "While searching for its mission, the ATF has been plagued by decades of high-profile blunders...We cannot afford to ignore clear changes that will greatly enhance the government's efficiency."

The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel's recent "Backfire" Watchdog Reports investigation uncovered a series of botched undercover storefront stings across the nation. The investigation found that the agency used people with mental disabilities to promote operations and then arrested them; opened storefronts near schools and churches, boosting their arrest numbers and penalties; attracted juveniles with free video games and alcohol; paid inflated prices for guns, prompting people to buy new guns and quickly sell them to agents for a profit; allowed armed felons to leave their fake stores; and openly bought stolen goods, spurring burglaries in surrounding neighborhoods.

The Journal Sentinel also reported that in Milwaukee, the ATF operation was burglarized, four of the wrong people were arrested and an agent's machine gun was stolen. It has not been recovered. That investigation led to a bipartisan call in Congress for accountability.

And accountability in this case should mean eliminating the agency.

While the bungled operations may be new, this is not the first time there has been a call for dissolving the ATF. It was considered for elimination during both former President Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton's terms but was saved, in part, because gun rights groups didn't want its duties moving to another agency, such as the FBI, which might have done a better job of enforcing gun laws.

In 1993, Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.) introduced a bill to eliminate the ATF, but it didn't pass. About a decade later, a group studying federal law enforcement found that in trying to meet its dual responsibilities, the ATF's missions to collect taxes and regulate private industry "did not contribute to effective enforcement of the nation's gun and explosives laws."

And a decade after that, not much has changed; in fact, the agency may be more dysfunctional now than it has ever been. A new Government Accountability Office report on the ATF released Wednesday found an agency trying to redefine itself while struggling with high personnel turnover and problems tracking its own criminal investigations, the Journal Sentinel reported.

The ATF became a separate entity in 1968. In that same year, an executive order called for better coordination among law enforcement agencies under the attorney general.

It's time to take that executive order to heart and eliminate a redundant agency that contributes little to making the nation safer.



Still relevant.

I know it's a fantasy, but could an EO by a lame duck do it?
 
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I know it's a fantasy, but could an EO by a lame duck do it?
Anything done by an EO can be undone by the next President. Executive orders don't carry the weight of law, nor should they. They're simply directives on how existing agencies should operate.

As far as eliminating the ATF or any other agency goes, I think we're long past the point of the government shrinking or giving up any of it's power voluntarily. Not that I disagree with the article you posted, but you could say the same about the FBI, CIA, DEA, and any number of other ABC agencies that will likely never shrink in size, let alone be entirely eliminated.
 
Yeah... I am more or less to the point of flat out ignoring any new (and some existing) laws from here on out.

All of that was exempt the minute they let fraud dictate the election results... our Republic is no more. Ergo, any authority they think they have is also, no more.

+1 fukk Washington district of CROOKS!
 
Anything done by an EO can be undone by the next President. Executive orders don't carry the weight of law, nor should they. They're simply directives on how existing agencies should operate.

As far as eliminating the ATF or any other agency goes, I think we're long past the point of the government shrinking or giving up any of it's power voluntarily. Not that I disagree with the article you posted, but you could say the same about the FBI, CIA, DEA, and any number of other ABC agencies that will likely never shrink in size, let alone be entirely eliminated.

Shaddup with your facts. A boy can dream!
 
If they want me to be an outlaw
Than an outlaw I shall be
 
Somebody write a program to fill out a thousand form an hr, I'd bury them in paperwork. If everyone did it'd take years to go through them all

this was USMCdoc14 's idea. no charge for the forms so that people can register, so go ahead and register your couch, register your dog, register a walking cane, everything around the house lol.

they will get through it eventually :rasta:
 
Yeah... I am more or less to the point of flat out ignoring any new (and some existing) laws from here on out.

All of that was exempt the minute they let fraud dictate the election results... our Republic is no more. Ergo, any authority they think they have is also, no more.

100 feekn percent
 
Yeah... I am more or less to the point of flat out ignoring any new (and some existing) laws from here on out.

All of that was exempt the minute they let fraud dictate the election results... our Republic is no more. Ergo, any authority they think they have is also, no more.

The song of my people right here.^
 
Sumbitches :mad3:



Just saw this through FPC. All those haters that knocked the bumpstock ban because they’re “useless and stupid.” A little restriction at a time. One of the only things Trump did politically that right out pissed me off. :mad3:
 
Yeah... I am more or less to the point of flat out ignoring any new (and some existing) laws from here on out.

All of that was exempt the minute they let fraud dictate the election results... our Republic is no more. Ergo, any authority they think they have is also, no more.

I figured I would be seeing this one pretty every topic from seatbelts to vigilantly stuff. Dems don't realized the door they opened can't be shut, much like all those rules Harry Reid changed and then got used against them the last so many years while they bitched. They are not forward thinking :homer:
 
If armbraces are illegal than regular stocks on pistols are just as illegal. Fuck you abc bois! We do what we want. Putting bumpstocks on pistols and everything. Just as well build full auto shit now too.

If everything is illegail. Everything is just as ok to do as the other.
 
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Yeah... I am more or less to the point of flat out ignoring any new (and some existing) laws from here on out.

All of that was exempt the minute they let fraud dictate the election results... our Republic is no more. Ergo, any authority they think they have is also, no more.

Do what you want, I decided to sell everything I had through an advertisement in the newspaper to a guy down on the Indian reservation. For cash.
 
Do what you want, I decided to sell everything I had through an advertisement in the newspaper to a guy down on the Indian reservation. For cash.


Is this the new boat accident? Just as lame.
 
I honestly cannot understand how they survived Ruby Ridge and Waco. Both were their MAJOR fuckups. Even more puzzled how ol' Lon is still a free man. He might have been FBI but was present and kicked off both clusterfucks. Ever notice how any agency who utilize firearms are completely incapable of policing their own?
 
We can execute all of the ATF guys right after we kill all the liberals in CW2.
 
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From the FPC this morning:

Your FPC team is in receipt of a draft notice from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (“ATF”) regarding how the agency will be evaluating weapons with “stabilizing braces.” Based upon our initial review of this notice, we offer these thoughts for your consideration:

1) The draft document does not appear to reflect a new “ban” on pistol braces or firearms with such devices. The ATF, evidently, is not indicating that the mere presence of a brace on a pistol automatically converts the firearm into one under the purview of the National Firearms Act (“NFA”). (Indeed, the ATF has no authority to declare accessories like pistol braces to be NFA components, though the agency’s previous conduct provides little reassurance.)

2) The draft document instead purports to be intended to inform the public on how brace-equipped firearms will be examined in the future. Based on the criteria set forth in the draft document, it appears that the ATF would take something of a ‘totality of the circumstances’ approach in determining whether a specific brace-equipped pistol is a ‘short-barreled’ firearm regulated under the NFA. These criteria include: the firearm’s type, caliber, weight, and length, the design of the brace itself, whether the firearm can be properly aimed when using the attachment as a brace, and whether an optic that cannot properly be used one-handed is present (i.e., something that suggests intent). The agency also indicates that it will observe the marketing of firearms and accessories, as well as other more subjective factors.

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3) Importantly, the draft document recognizes that most people with braced firearms have acted in good faith. It suggests that the agency seeks to establish a procedure by which people who already have firearms that may fall under the purview of the NFA, and who wish to take advantage of registering them as NFA firearms to obtain the legal protections of such, may potentially do so without payment of the associated tax.

FPC believes that the NFA is an unconstitutional infringement of the People’s rights, that the ATF should be abolished, and that any policy or practice enforcing the Act is unconstitutional and immoral.

With that said, the policies in the draft document do not appear to be a significant departure from previous publicly undisclosed agency policies, some of which were discovered through criminal prosecutions, FOIA requests, and other sources. Your FPC team will be monitoring the situation closely. If anything changes we will let you know as soon as possible.
 
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