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We just rolled through Tulsa on I-244 at dusk coming back from the Mid-America Shelby Meet. At all the exits/entrances to I-244 near down town there were 4 or 5 police cars (County/City) sitting on the shoulder lit up. Light traffic all the way through. Zero issues getting though.

At the event there were very few masks. Everyone was friendly and shaking hands, talking in groups ect..

We were at Tulsa Raceway Park on the North side of town and saw AF1 on approach.
 
Does anybody know how many were truley there, the Lying Media is claiming nobody showed up, the only picture I have seen is some guy sitting up in the nose bleed seats by himself with a mask on. I have seen other pictures of the outdoor venue with nobody there.
 
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Me too and their associating it with so called freedom.

Freedom my ass you dont own anything, things of any monetary significance you think its yours after its paid for, land a home a car or truck you think you own it ?

You don't if you have to keep paying on it with any kind of tax.

You dont own anything if for non payment of a tax it can be taken from you.

I have several vehicles that I "own" without paying additional taxes on. Not all states assess personal property taxes upon motor vehicles, and if you aren't using them on public roads, you don't owe the state a dime.
 
Does anybody know how many were truley there, the Lying Media is claiming nobody showed up, the only picture I have seen is some guy sitting up in the nose bleed seats by himself with a mask on. I have seen other pictures of the outdoor venue with nobody there.

That arena was packed , Newsmax TV televised the rally , I watched it from the start to end , good stuff and the fake news continues to be fake.
 
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elect...e=BB15LsJW_1|1

Trump’s Tulsa Rally Fizzles as Seats Go Empty

Michael D. Shear, Maggie Haberman and Astead W. Herndon 8 hrs ago

Trump’s Tulsa Rally Fizzles as Seats Go Empty
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TULSA, Okla. — President Trump’s attempt to revive his re-election campaign sputtered badly on Saturday night as he traveled to Tulsa for his first mass rally in months and found a far smaller crowd than his aides had promised him, then delivered a disjointed speech that did not address the multiple crises facing the nation or scandals battering him in Washington.



The weakness of Mr. Trump’s drawing power and political skills, in a state that voted for him overwhelmingly and in a format that he favors, raised new questions about his electoral prospects for a second term at a time when his poll numbers were already falling. And rather than speak to the wide cross-section of Americans who say they are concerned about police violence and systemic racism, he continued to use racist language, describing the coronavirus as “Kung Flu.”

While the president’s campaign had claimed that more than a million people had sought tickets for the rally, the 19,000-seat BOK Center was at least one-third empty during the rally. A second, outdoor venue was so sparsely attended that he and Vice President Mike Pence both canceled appearances there.

Tim Murtaugh, a spokesman for the Trump campaign, falsely blamed the small numbers on “radical protesters” and the news media who he said had frightened away supporters. But there were few protests in the area and no sizable effort to block entrances, and there was a strong security presence.

Mr. Trump was furious about the unused outdoor stage and the comparatively thin crowd in the stadium, according to two people familiar with his reaction. News broadcasts carried video of the partially empty stadium, and even the Drudge Report, a reliably conservative website, carried an all-caps headline that said “MAGA LESS MEGA” with a picture of rows and rows of empty blue seats.

The disappointing turnout came as Mr. Trump already found himself under siege about his sudden firing of the U.S. attorney in Manhattan and his losing legal battle over the release of a memoir full of damaging revelations by John R. Bolton, his former national security adviser. And in Tulsa, Mr. Trump faced criticism for ignoring pleas from officials about health risks to rallygoers and for restarting his “Make America Great Again!” rallies in a city where a white mob massacred hundreds of black residents 99 years ago.In rambling, grievance-filled remarks, Mr. Trump made no reference to the Tulsa massacre of 1921 or to George Floyd, whose death at the hands of a white police officer in Minneapolis last month spurred global demands for racial justice. He also did not mention Juneteenth, which marks the end of slavery in the United States and fell just a day before his rally.
Instead, the president railed about “left-wing radicals” who he falsely claimed were rioting in cities across the country and praised police officers who “get injured, they don’t complain. They’re incredible” while attempting to stop looters and rioters.

“The unhinged left-wing mob is trying to vandalize our history, desecrate our monuments, our beautiful monuments, tear down our statues and punish, cancel and persecute anyone who does not conform to their demands for absolute and total control,” Mr. Trump said. He was referring in part to attempts to remove Confederate monuments, efforts that have support in both parties.

The president once again shrugged off the threat from the coronavirus, which he also called the “Chinese virus” at one point, and bragged that he has done “a phenomenal job” fighting the pandemic. He acknowledged that increased testing for the virus revealed more cases of infection, which he felt made the country look bad.

“So I said to my people, ‘slow the testing down,’” he said.

Many of the thousands of Trump supporters at the rally did not wear masks or stand six feet apart — health precautions that Mr. Trump himself has ignored. The campaign conducted temperature checks and handed out masks, yet health experts remained concerned that the event could be a dangerous incubator for the virus, spreading through the building’s recirculated air.

It was unclear whether fears about the virus kept Trump supporters away despite the president’s repeated efforts to dismiss the need for social distancing and other precautions.

A few hours before the event, the campaign disclosed that six Trump campaign staff members who had been working on the rally had tested positive for the coronavirus during a routine screening. Two members of the Secret Service in Tulsa also tested positive for the virus, according to people familiar with the matter. Mr. Trump, who was made aware of the sick campaign aides before departing for the rally, was incensed that the news was made public, according to two people familiar with his reaction.

Minor confrontations between protesters and Trump supporters broke out throughout the evening. A few minutes before Mr. Trump began speaking, several dozen protesters marched about a block away from the entrance to the arena, bearing signs with messages like “Black Lives Matter” and “Go home Donald.”

Trump supporters yelled “USA! USA!” as they walked by. “Go home, racists!” the protesters chanted as the crowd swelled to hundreds of people. Some heated conversations broke out along Boulder Avenue in downtown Tulsa, but when one man tried to start an “all lives matter” chant as a man in a Black Lives Matter shirt spoke, it did not catch on.

While rallies are Mr. Trump’s favorite events, election-year politics has changed since his last one, on March 2. The coronavirus has largely shut down the campaign trail, and more recently the national political conversation has been dominated by a fierce debate over police violence against black Americans after the killing of Mr. Floyd.

But the altered political landscape has had little effect on the president, whom advisers describe as feeling like a caged animal during the national lockdown that forced him to abandon most travel. They say he is determined to recapture the excitement of his pre-virus campaign rallies, but this one seemed unlikely to offer much relief to Mr. Trump.

He flew to Oklahoma amid mounting questions about the firing of Geoffrey S. Berman, the U.S. attorney in Manhattan, whose office had investigated some of the president’s closest allies, imprisoning Michael D. Cohen, his former personal lawyer, and beginning an inquiry into Rudolph W. Giuliani, his current lawyer.





On Saturday afternoon, Attorney General William P. Barr announced that Mr. Trump had personally approved Mr. Berman’s firing. But soon afterward, as Mr. Trump left the White House for the trip to Tulsa, the president said that “we have a very capable attorney general, so that’s really up to him. I’m not involved.”

The campaign had chosen to return first to Oklahoma, which the president won by 36 points in 2016, assuming his appearance would be wildly popular there. Aides to Mr. Trump spent the week boasting about enormous interest from people in the rally, and Mr. Trump bragged on Saturday as he left for Oklahoma that “the crowds are unbelievable,” which proved false.

Some users of social media said on Saturday night that teenagers helped keep attendance at the rally down by seeking tickets they did not intend to use. TikTok and Twitter users posted that they had registered potentially hundreds of thousands of tickets for Trump’s campaign rally as a prank after @TeamTrump tweeted asking supporters to register for free tickets.

During his speech, Mr. Trump delivered a defensive, 15-minute explanation of images that showed him ambling slowly down a ramp after delivering the commencement address at the West Point military academy last weekend. He blamed his slow walk on “leather soles” on his shoes and said he was trying not to fall on his behind.

He also took several sips of water out of a glass after video at the West Point event showed him struggling to bring a glass up to his lips. He said he was trying to make sure he did not spill the water on his tie. The crowd applauded wildly.

Many people in Tulsa, worried about the record numbers of coronavirus cases in Oklahoma in recent days, did not welcome the rally. On Saturday afternoon, local black leaders held a news conference in the city’s historic Greenwood neighborhood, where the 1921 massacre took place, pleading with the city’s mayor, G.T. Bynum, a Trump ally, to cancel the rally.

In the streets around the BOK Center before the rally, the president’s supporters — some of whom had lined up for days in the hopes of ensuring a seat in the stadium — gathered not far from Black Lives Matter protesters and people in town for the Juneteenth celebration. Many wore red MAGA hats while others wore caps with patriotic emblems or colors. Some waved red, white and blue banners with the Trump 2020 logo, the American flag, or the “Don’t Tread on Me” flag. Some wore them like capes. Almost none wore masks.

“If it is God’s will that I get coronavirus that is the will of the Almighty. I will not live in fear,” said Robert Montanelli, a resident of Broken Arrow, a Tulsa suburb.

The president and his advisers hope the return to the campaign trail will help deflect attention from a daily stream of crises engulfing the White House. On Saturday, a federal judge refused to block the release of Mr. Bolton’s book, though he said the former national security aide may be personally liable for revealing classified information.

People close to Mr. Trump also said that the lack of regular adulation that he receives from the cheering crowds since the coronavirus lockdowns has left him morose and irritable. And his advisers had hoped that the rally would be a positive outlet for his energy, as opposed to his Twitter feed, where he has posted several self-destructive messages in the last several weeks.

After the rally, Mr. Trump’s spokesman searched for a way that Mr. Trump might be happy despite the poor turnout, claiming in a statement that millions of online rally viewers amounted to “a massive audience that Joe Biden can only dream of.”

Driven in part by poll numbers showing his support slipping as he prepares to face former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. in the fall, Mr. Trump had initially scheduled his rally for Friday. He later said he was unaware of the significance of the Juneteenth holiday.

Under fire, the campaign moved the event to Saturday, leaving Mr. Trump to make the wild claim that he had revealed the existence of the holiday to many people despite the fact that millions of black Americans have celebrated Juneteenth annually for years.




By late morning in Tulsa on Saturday, a steadily growing line of rallygoers had assembled. Some had traveled significant distances, but many other attendees were Tulsa locals or came from nearby states, like Kansas and Missouri, or elsewhere in deep-red Oklahoma. The crowd was overwhelmingly white, and most people ranged in age from their 40s to their 60s, though a sizable number of attendees also brought their children.

In more than a dozen interviews, no one expressed serious concerns about coronavirus risk at the rally.

“It’s all fake,” said Mike Alcorn, 40, who works in maintenance and lives in Wichita, Kan. “They’re just making the numbers up. I haven’t seen anybody die, not from coronavirus. I don’t even know anybody who’s got it.”

Ben Fenwick and Katie Glueck contributed reporting from Tulsa.

What people are being told
 
And the media demonizes personal choice, allowing one to think for themselves and determine what they want. Again, this shits getting stale...

It doesn't matter what Trump does in respect to this issue. If he says "ditch the mask, do what you please" he'll be demonized by the "we need to protect the public" group/believers and if he says "we should all wear masks to protect the general public" he'll be demonized by the freedom of choice group. He's in a "no win" situation. Come November we'll see which group has more votes.
 
It doesn't matter what Trump does in respect to this issue. If he says "ditch the mask, do what you please" he'll be demonized by the "we need to protect the public" group/believers and if he says "we should all wear masks to protect the general public" he'll be demonized by the freedom of choice group. He's in a "no win" situation. Come November we'll see which group has more votes.

And how many sit at home, because neither candidate is deemed to be worthy of their vote
 
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It doesn't matter what Trump does in respect to this issue. If he says "ditch the mask, do what you please" he'll be demonized by the "we need to protect the public" group/believers and if he says "we should all wear masks to protect the general public" he'll be demonized by the freedom of choice group. He's in a "no win" situation. Come November we'll see which group has more votes.

do what you please is the win, that is the correct answer.
 
And how many sit at home, because neither candidate is deemed to be worthy of their vote

Probably quite a few. Biden is seen as a liberal/progressive which is a complete no-go for any conservative types and for libertarians. Trump is a very polarizing person which will be a turn off for many people. I see this coming election as very similar in those respects as 2016.
 
For you and me, but as I stated there's a large number of people who think otherwise. Ignoring them won't make them go away.

no need to ignore them, they need to be provided with information, advised that they can make their own choice but cannot force it on others, supported when they make their choice and encouraged to be free.

they are wrong, that's how you correct people :flipoff2:
 

Pretty sad. Of course some people stayed home in concern for the virus. It wasn't terribly well promoted in advance either with all the Riot coverage.

The KPop thing an interesting evolution. The MSM called it a "prank" in the article but it is at a minimum a Political Action to manipulate a public gathering who's speech they do not agree with.

These online attacks are growing in popularity. A friends daughter just got booted off Twitter for what was essentially a DNS attack against right leaning twitter posters. They were relentlessly spamming their accounts with KPop music to prevent their speech from showing on their own twitter pages. Just learned that said daughter had 36 took up 36 tickets to the Tulsa event... they live in MD and had no interest in going.

It will be interesting to see if the Right spawns something similar or finds a way to combat it.
 
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Pretty sad. Of course some people stayed home in concern for the virus. It wasn't terribly well promoted in advance either with all the Riot coverage.

The KPop thing an interesting evolution. The MSM called it a "prank" in the article but it is at a minimum a Political Action to manipulate a public gathering who's speech they do not agree with.

These online attacks are growing in popularity. A friends daughter just got booted off Twitter for what was essentially a DNS attack against right leaning twitter posters. They were relentlessly spamming their accounts with KPop music to prevent their speech from showing on their own twitter pages.

It will be interesting to see if the Right spawns something similar or finds a way to combat it.

foreign interference through social media manipulation? yup, 2016 all over again :rasta:

so, obama let it go then, will trump do anything about it now? :laughing:
 
no need to ignore them, they need to be provided with information, advised that they can make their own choice but cannot force it on others, supported when they make their choice and encouraged to be free.

they are wrong, that's how you correct people :flipoff2:

You do realize "those people" think about conservatives and libertarians the same way you and I think about them. I highly doubt any advice will be listened to.
 
It doesn't matter what Trump does in respect to this issue. If he says "ditch the mask, do what you please" he'll be demonized by the "we need to protect the public" group/believers and if he says "we should all wear masks to protect the general public" he'll be demonized by the freedom of choice group. He's in a "no win" situation. Come November we'll see which group has more votes.

Man... the point is literally gliding over thy head.... Personal choice = FREEDOM. Come awn dude, take one day off. Ya don't need to be a grouch everyday. :flipoff2:
 
Man... the point is literally gliding over thy head.... Personal choice = FREEDOM. Come awn dude, take one day off. Ya don't need to be a grouch everyday. :flipoff2:

I realize the point. Pointing out what I did is hardly being a grouch. I guess stating facts means to you I'm a grouch, so if that's what you believe, so be it.
 
I realize the point. Pointing out what I did is hardly being a grouch. I guess stating facts means to you I'm a grouch, so if that's what you believe, so be it.

Yes, I believe you are a grouch.
 
Home field advantage

How will the MSM spin this to make him look bad

A lot of proud Okies there for support

3500 to be exact

The thing i have about it is we never flattened that curve. Our infections are going up at a alarming rate. I found this quite foolish.

But i was in tulsa on saturday wasnt any more people than normal

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https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama...aign=nl&bcid=bfcab5f0c58b3691765086d28bfa5c1c

No, Liberals Booking Tickets to Trump Rally Didn’t Lower the Numbers, but MSNBC Picks Up Something Which May Have


Posted at 12:30 pm on June 21, 2020 by Nick Arama

This morning folks on the left were, as we reported earlier, crowing about President Donald Trump’s rally not completely filling the arena.

So let’s start out with the fact that while the arena wasn’t completely full, it was still a big crowd, about 3/4 full during a pandemic, with people waiting days to get inside and millions watching on Youtube. If you listened to liberal media, you’d think it was empty. Joe Biden has trouble even filling a room and has to have “private speeches” so no one can talk about the lack of enthusiasm for him.

But some were boasting they had a hand it the turnout being lower.

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When people pull off a trick, they can't resist bragging about it. In future, Trump campaign will have to be more careful. Of course, Biden will, too. 1/4 http://ow.ly/RyJe50AdzFM

Byron York@ByronYork
Resistance, NeverTrumpers boasting on social media that they block-reserved tickets to Trump rally to keep seats empty. One says his 16 year-old daughter and friends got 'hundreds of tickets.' 2/4
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Another says: 'It wasn't just teenagers. I'm 60 and I've got 300 tickets. And I'm an Oklahoma Democrat.' AOC praises 'teens on TikTok who flooded the Trump campaign with fake ticket reservations.' 3/4​

Byron York@ByronYork
Obviously, Trump will have to expect, work around, this sort of mischief throughout campaign. And after Saturday night, Biden will, too. 4/4 End.
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But actually their claims just reveal two things.





First, the fact that they think they have to cheat and try to interfere in the election to try to beat the President. That just reveals how empty they feel their own candidate, Joe Biden, is. They’re not even embarrassed about trying to cheat, in fact, they think they’re clever. They also coordinated using Tik Tok, a Chinese service, so literally trying to interfere with Chinese assistance. It’s especially ridiculous that you have a sitting Congresswoman, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), cheering on their actions.

But second, this is just wrong. Tickets are first-come, first-served. So if they don’t show up, other people get in. Liberals claiming this have no idea how the system works. In other words, they spent all this time plotting this great interference, just admitted to it and bragged about it, but actually did nothing more than just wasted their time.

What may have made a difference, in addition to the pandemic, is concerns about BLM making things violent and blocking the gates, as this MSNBC report showed right here. Ultimately they cleared the gates, but it’s not clear how many people may have been concerned about violence and left.

Acyn Torabi@Acyn
MSNBC is reporting one of the gates to the rally has been closed due to BLM protesters and the National Guard is trying to push the crowd back. They also are reporting armed individuals in Hawaiian shirts are gathering near the gate.

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Notice how the reporter is trying to jack up the expectation for violence as they have for days in advance of the event. He even claims there are armed folks in Hawaiian shirts there, implying there are “boogaloo boys,” an extremist group. But when the camera pans, there is no such thing.

The real test might be in venues down the road when we are more clear of the pandemic and hopefully they are able to keep the BLM and other leftists from blocking the area.

But this really just shows how desperate they are and what a lack of enthusiasm for Biden there is.
 
Well...the way I see this since bernie gladly ate a dick and stepped aside...again.....they don't plan on Joe winning.

All the money is going into Senate support to retake that house as well which will allow these pieces of shit to frawg March the annoying orange into oblivian.


Not looking good for liberty.
 
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