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YotaAtieToo

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Thanks to this section I'm looking at gun shit again :flipoff2:

I have a Rock island 45 1911. It's a truck fun and I take it in the woods when screwing around. Being in an area with bigger game, I'd definitely like something more powerful. I've heard lots of people recommend 10mm and I think I found a slide I can drop on to my gun.

Other people say to just upgrade the recoil spring and run 45 super. Looks fairly comparable to 10mm. But without a different barrel, slide, ect.

Anyone mess with these rounds?
 
I'd go the .45 Super route myself. I run Super in my .45 ACP S&W revolver for woods roaming and it definitely has a much better punch than regular ACP rounds. Then again, I don't have anything worse than black bear around here so...... If I lived in Grizzly land, I might consider a 10mm if I needed a semi-auto.
 
6gun said:
I'd go the .45 Super route myself. I run Super in my .45 ACP S&W revolver for woods roaming and it definitely has a much better punch than regular ACP rounds. Then again, I don't have anything worse than black bear around here so...... If I lived in Grizzly land, I might consider a 10mm if I needed a semi-auto.
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10mm and 45 super are pretty close really. I was actually looking at 10mm uppers when someone recommended 45 super.

I think I decided to just try the +p rounds so I don't have to modify the gun.

A 10mm conversion would be nice though because 10mm is way more common/cheaper than 45 super and not too much more than 45acp currently. Just not sure the cost is worth it on a cheap beater gun :laughing:
 
I've been meaning to load up some .45super for a long while, just don't got any jacketed bullets laying around and haven't really been looking for them for a while
check to see about the case support in your feed ramp region before running super in your 1911
also, a compensator will help with the slide velocity when unlocking a lot more than a stronger recoil spring which only really makes a difference at the other end of the slide's travel.

as an aside, .45's case head is a lot stronger than 10mm, there ain't much meat in a 10mm case head with the large pistol primer in there
 
The goal was a little more punch for when out in the woods. But all the power in the world doesn't do any good if it's unreliable. Definitely don't want to get into anything too custom on this one.
 
reliability is a stupid topic that'll always have people shitting all over
you test something out with a few thousand rounds every time you change anything and it's gonna bankrupt you, never mind just wearing the gun out

don't worry too much about it
I know my EDC's spare mag is always full of sand and absolutely does not work as anything more than convenient storage for 30 extra rounds. Should I make up some spacers to break up the double-stack so it'll hold 20 and be unaffected by pocket sand? probably, but I'll never get around to it

yeah, all .45 super ammo is loaded by small time boutique places, whether that's good or bad for reliability is totally up to debate
 
[486] said:
reliability is a stupid topic that'll always have people shitting all over
you test something out with a few thousand rounds every time you change anything and it's gonna bankrupt you, never mind just wearing the gun out
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I agree. Like the shield arms 15+1 mags for the G48/43x. Some guys have 2-4k rounds through theirs with zero malfunctions, but someone will come in and say you're an idiot if it's not a factory mag.


[486] said:
don't worry too much about it
I know my EDC's spare mag is always full of sand and absolutely does not work as anything more than convenient storage for 30 extra rounds. Should I make up some spacers to break up the double-stack so it'll hold 20 and be unaffected by pocket sand? probably, but I'll never get around to it

yeah, all .45 super ammo is loaded by small time boutique places, whether that's good or bad for reliability is totally up to debate
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I was more referring to making modifications. I'm not a gun nerd by any means. I wouldn't mind fucking with a range toy doing mods, but something I'm carrying to protect my life, I'll stick to what's proven.

I could probably run 45 super fine in it, it just beats it up. +p isn't much weaker so I'll start with that.

It's funny that a 10mm upper kit is more than a whole RI 10mm gun :homer:, but I guess the parts kits are probably higher end stuff.
 
Stix said:
If you’re not adverse to a top end swap pass the .45 super and go .460 Rowland.
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The appeal to the 45 super was people claiming you can run it with just an $8 spring swap.

I think if I were to swap a whole upper (which would be cool if they're weren't 90% the cost of a new gun) I'd think I'd go 10mm, but :confused:
 
Don’t pay any attention to me. I like weird shit. I have and or dabbled in:
10mm
10mm mag
.38super
.356tsw
9x25 dillon
9x23 Winchester.
and more I’m forgetting.
 
10mm is a fun and FLEXIBLE round. I recommend it. Plus you’re a barrel swap away from 9x25 Dillon. Google it.
 
Stix said:
10mm is a fun and FLEXIBLE round. I recommend it. Plus you’re a barrel swap away from 9x25 Dillon. Google it.
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I like all the cool odd shit, but I don't want to spend my money on it. Hence 10mm, which isn't terribly expensive or uncommon, at least compared to 45 super

Im just trying to make a gun I already have more useful. Tips on a 10mm upper would be appreciated, but I don't want to spend $350, when I can get a whole 10mm gun for $450-650.

I'm definitely a bang for my buck guy. I like all the fancy stuff, but it's hard to drop the money on something I rarely or never use.
 
I don’t know where you could do a upper much cheaper. Is that RIA quoting you the work? Know they’ve done stuff like that before. Maybe Fusion firearms if they are still a thing? That’s why I love my .38 super. A 50 dollar barrel and mag and I’m shooting cheap 9mm.....
 
Stix said:
I don’t know where you could do a upper much cheaper. Is that RIA quoting you the work? Know they’ve done stuff like that before. Maybe Fusion firearms if they are still a thing? That’s why I love my .38 super. A 50 dollar barrel and mag and I’m shooting cheap 9mm.....
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Ya, I mean I get it, it's 80% the gun, so it makes sense it's 80% of the price.

I don't know, I thought I had found a complete 10mm upper at one point, but I can't now. I had read some people saying it needs to be fitted and others saying it didn't.

I'll probably play with the +p stuff to start, and maybe order the spring kit. I can leave the firing pin spring for regular acp, but it sounds like the heavy recoil spring won't work well. Which is easy enough to swap.
 
.45 acp +p has tons of thump. I can’t imagine it not being enough for anything but huge bears. Lol
 
Stix said:
.45 acp +p has tons of thump. I can’t imagine it not being enough for anything but huge bears. Lol
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In not cal, I never felt of a bear as a threat. As soon as you see one they're gone. :laughing:

Up here, we do have grizzly, which can be very aggressive. Really, moose can be a bigger issue. Guy had to shoot one last summer because it was harassing him at camp. He ended up getting it done with a 45 acp from what I heard.

45 super was brought up comparing 10mm, so I started there. It's not a whole ton faster than the +p on paper. That's out of a box at least.
 
If you’re around grizz I would forget .45 acp period. Not enough velocity to drive sufficiently heavy bullets to the right velocity for good penetration. This is where the 10 shines. Heavy, hard cast bullets with ass behind them. Even then in bear country I’m packing a wheel gun ala ..44 mag, heavy .45 long colt etc. FUCK big brown bears. Something to think about
 
Stix said:
If you’re around grizz I would forget .45 acp period. Not enough velocity to drive sufficiently heavy bullets to the right velocity for good penetration. This is where the 10 shines. Heavy, hard cast bullets with ass behind them. Even then in bear country I’m packing a wheel gun ala ..44 mag, heavy .45 long colt etc. FUCK big brown bears. Something to think about
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The more I read and talk to people, unless you're the most bad ass shot under pressure. A giant revolver with only 6 shots to stop a grizzly pretty much sucks.

I love revolvers, I like to have a big ass ruger 460 or something one day, but I'll never shoot it enough to be competent with it at a charging grizz.

The thing is, I have the 1911, it what I'm going to carry out doors. I'd be down for a ~$250 10mm conversion, but the bang for the buck with the 45+p and super is much better. Some people say the 45 super is on par with the 10mm, but I'm guessing you'll get more penetration with the 10mm, which is important with grizzly.

I'd rather have a 45 acp, than nothing, and a 45 +p is better than acp, so.....

Like I said, guy took out a 2k lb bull moose with a 45 acp. Again, better than nothing.

I also don't plan to hike around the woods a ton. If I'm going on a short hike, I'll bring my 12g. But for riding my dirt bike 12g isn't realistic. With that the plan is just to bounce if possible :laughing:

I'd like a 10mm for sure, but not for a little while.
 
I've been meaning to get some .45 sabots to fuck around with, but haven't put any actual effort into it
most muzzle loader sabot stuff is .50
stuffed a 9x25 dillon into a tokarev but forgot to check and see if there were any .38 caliber sabots available, and there aren't lol

I just like the idea of a little rock at retard velocity. Possibly with a solid copper slug because aramid reasons.
 
9x25 with a 90-95 grainer is nuts. Nothing like being half blind by the muzzle flash...... in broad daylight. Lol
 
I've got a 460 conversion on a Springfield. Its fun but I need to swap the backstrap, currently the checked one will leave your palm bleeding after a mag of hot loads. After having a 454 casull I would grab the 460 rowland in that type of emergency, lower power but I can be more accurate and faster with it.

Talked to the guy that started TNW at knob creek (and bought and ASR kit). You can get an ASR barrel in 460 rowland now, not as convenient as a handgun but if the dino's invade that would be my choice. Or bear zombies
 
Roc Doc said:
Buffalo Bore has some pretty badass rounds for 45 Super, not cheap of course, but a hardcast 255g bullet going 1300fps, is going to give you 950ftlbs of energy. Not enough for brown bear, like others have said, but good for almost all other 2 or 4 legged blood bags.

45 SUPER OUTDOORSMAN Pistol & Handgun Ammunition
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Thats where I have been looking.

Even their +p stuff is pretty good.

"enough" is so subjective. Will anything short of a hard cast 12g really stop a charging grizzly or brown bear?

Some guys are claiming bear spray is more effective. Every story you read is different.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
Thats where I have been looking.

Even their +p stuff is pretty good.

"enough" is so subjective. Will anything short of a hard cast 12g really stop a charging grizzly or brown bear?

Some guys are claiming bear spray is more effective. Every story you read is different.
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Bear spray is an effective seasoning

All depends on the bears disposition, reason for attack, etc. Same as people, a 22 kills tons of people every year since most of them don't expect it, aren't hyped on adrenaline, react with shock. But also there is the methed out guy who takes a magazine center mass and still manages to get too close for comfort.

I'm not sure there is a solution for a big bear, protecting their young in full fight mode. I'm also sure bear spray works fine if you have a curious bear wandering around
 
YotaAtieToo said:
Thats where I have been looking.

Even their +p stuff is pretty good.

"enough" is so subjective. Will anything short of a hard cast 12g really stop a charging grizzly or brown bear?

Some guys are claiming bear spray is more effective. Every story you read is different.
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There was a dude at the other place that was a guide in AK, and was out with a client and his son and they had shot a moose or elk or caribu, (don't remember which), and were tracking it and came across a brown bear that charged the dad who pulled his Super Redhawk and dumped the full cylinder and the bear was still coming, and by this time the son had shouldered his 7mm mag, and put 4 of those in the bear before it stopped. That's some hairy shit for sure.
 
Roc Doc said:
There was a dude at the other place that was a guide in AK, and was out with a client and his son and they had shot a moose or elk or caribu, (don't remember which), and were tracking it and came across a brown bear that charged the dad who pulled his Super Redhawk and dumped the full cylinder and the bear was still coming, and by this time the son had shouldered his 7mm mag, and put 4 of those in the bear before it stopped. That's some hairy shit for sure.
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Probably because he missed every shot with the hand cannon. :laughing:

I love big wheel guns, but more and more, I really doubt one being the best bet for a bear. May as well just grab a De50 :laughing:
 
YotaAtieToo said:
Probably because he missed every shot with the hand cannon. :laughing:

I love big wheel guns, but more and more, I really doubt one being the best bet for a bear. May as well just grab a De50 :laughing:
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If you've shot .454 you know it's a substantial jump over 44mag. It's 65k psi, which is 30-06 territory. I've shot them from a Super Blackhawk and from a .460 S&W and the 454 is stronger.
 
Roc Doc said:
If you've shot .454 you know it's a substantial jump over 44mag. It's 65k psi, which is 30-06 territory. I've shot them from a Super Blackhawk and from a .460 S&W and the 454 is stronger.
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I haven't really shot much of the swinging dick guns. I've shot a DE in 357, 44 and 50. And a smaller compensated 4" barrel 44 mag. The DE isn't bad since it's suck a chunk of iron.

I do know, my buddy with a 357 lcp that said it's the dumbest thing you can imagine :laughing: he got it for his 100lb wife for a ccw :homer: and she actually sprained or broke her wrist. :laughing: he said guys will balk when he says be careful, but always ha d it back after a few shots.

I just feel like they're a novelty really, a cool ass novelty, but still.


Not a hang gun at all, but if you want ridiculous recoil. Find a break action 3.5" 12g and put some good 3.5" turkey loads in it. 3 of us, 2 who grew up hunting and shooting big rifles, about dropped it. Comes out of your left hand and your right hand hits you pretty good in the face.

Another guy almost fell down. :laughing:
 
The .460 is cool because you can shoot .45 Colt, .45 Schofield, 460 S&W and .454 Casull. They're fun to hand off with a mixed cylinder.

Edit; Corrected cartridge interchangeability.
 
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