2005 Escalade EXT (aka GMT 800 argument thread)

[DMG]

I don't think I've ever actually seen an 8.1 pickup in person, only suburbans. I've never seen a manual trans gm hd either, only Dodge and ferd

I have a customer with a 4wd 8.1 mnual trans dump truck. I told him i want the drivetrain when it finishes rusting.

 

[FleshEater]

I might start looking for an 8.1 Burb or Avalanche. Just not super excited about the GM transmission behind them.

 

[WTF?]

I might start looking for an 8.1 Burb or Avalanche. Just not super excited about the GM transmission behind them.

The 4l85e isn’t exciting in the Least but it’s pretty durable and very cheap; a pricey hd rebuilt one is still only $2300 from monster. So shopping with a local rebuilder you could probably be out the door for a little over $2k on a rebuild.

 

[FleshEater]

The 4l85e isn’t exciting in the Least but it’s pretty durable and very cheap; a pricey hd rebuilt one is still only $2300 from monster. So shopping with a local rebuilder you could probably be out the door for a little over $2k on a rebuild.

Is there enough room in an Avalanche to just camp out of the back on wheeling trips? I’ve never driven one or looked at one in person.

 

[WTF?]

Is there enough room in an Avalanche to just camp out of the back on wheeling trips? I’ve never driven one or looked at one in person.

It’s a5.5 bed, but tailgate down there’s 8’ ish. You could also drop the midgate down and have a palatial bed camper. ( i always tried to avoid touching the midgate to reduce wear (breaking 20 yo gm plastic knobs and latches and avoid aggravating leaking water/ wind/ weatherstripping seal issues. )

As a truck the avalanche was approximately equally useless as my tundra crewmax i had before it with approximately the same size bed. The built in cargo bins in the bedsides are handy ( and about as stylish) as a shirt pocket though.

Edit- the factory hard tonneau cover panels function better than a tarp, but it’s definitely not bone dry in the bed. they could probably do better if you can keep the drain channels completely free of mulch/ leaves and pollen, and the drains at the corner by the rear windshield clog much like sunroof drains with pollen and pine needles. And there’s noth8ng you can do but strap the panels on top of your load if you need to open them up on the road.

 

[WTF?]

Sigh Thats bait. Ohh well. Couldn't possibly be that unlike the gm product it didn't need a full interior/exterior rebuild or a new trans for the third time and therefore they kept it and are still driving it.... No couldn't possibly be. They must be wrong for not wanting to buy a new 4l60 every 2 years. Unless it is a three valve. You can have that abortion. Here have a jellybean... I know how you like them

Jesus h cripes you’re a devoted ford fan. Yes it was said in jest- so obviously low quality bait that any moron could see.

But now you’ve dove into the waters here of the expedition specific discussion, which was a new model for the post-obs era.
And you’re completely batshit insane delusional if you think that 98-06 era ford interiors were any significant margin more durable and desirable than gmt800. It was a tossup/ judges split decision in that matchup. And the fact that they sold shit tons of both flavors is an undisputed testament tp that.
And expos spit out transmissions just before 200k on a regular basis just like most anything else. Reliable auto trans on Anything domestic v8 over 200k mi is an anomaly (yeah, we know, except muh panther!)

Nobody’s holding on to high mileage expedition's in any kind of number because they’re nice. If they’re holding on to them intentionally it’s because nobody in the market is willing to pay more than $1500 for one with an odometer starting with a 2. Meanwhile 250k+ mile tahoes Yukons and suburbans transact daily for $3-6k.

All 20-25yr old full size suvs are junk to varying degrees; the mass market is more willing to pay higher amounts of dollars for gm junk then ford junk. It’s not a mass conspiracy by kbb and Nada etc.

Your market value doesn’t indicate unlit stance is pure idiocy.
The facts don’t care about your feelings, and Economic demand theory is well established and not up for negotiation.

you’re 100% dead effin wrong, just tunnel vision blinded by your love for ford that’s anchored In That the panther is indeed quite robust with little else rooted in reality.

So you’re just categorically full of shit, that’s why; you won’t convince me otherwise and I probably won’t do the same for you either.

 

[Mikenike]

Jesus h cripes you’re a devoted ford fan. Yes it was said in jest- so obviously low quality bait that any moron could see.

But now you’ve dove into the waters here of the expedition specific discussion, which was a new model for the post-obs era.
And you’re completely batshit insane delusional if you think that 98-06 era ford interiors were any significant margin more durable and desirable than gmt800. It was a tossup/ judges split decision in that matchup. And the fact that they sold shit tons of both flavors is an undisputed testament tp that.
And expos spit out transmissions just before 200k on a regular basis just like most anything else. Reliable auto trans on Anything domestic v8 over 200k mi is an anomaly (yeah, we know, except muh panther!)

Nobody’s holding on to high mileage expedition's in any kind of number because they’re nice. If they’re holding on to them intentionally it’s because nobody in the market is willing to pay more than $1500 for one with an odometer starting with a 2. Meanwhile 250k+ mile tahoes Yukons and suburbans transact daily for $3-6k.

All 20-25yr old full size suvs are junk to varying degrees; the mass market is more willing to pay higher amounts of dollars for gm junk then ford junk. It’s not a mass conspiracy by kbb and Nada etc.

Your market value doesn’t indicate unlit stance is pure idiocy.
The facts don’t care about your feelings, and Economic demand theory is well established and not up for negotiation.

you’re 100% dead effin wrong, just tunnel vision blinded by your love for ford that’s anchored In That the panther is indeed quite robust with little else rooted in reality.

Speaking of not recognizing bait... Actually i just like pissing on gm guys no matter what i like because you GM guys get so incredibly butthurt by everything it is unbelievable. It is honestly a toss up between you and chevy_man who gets more riled up and is therefore the bigger laugh. GM fanboys have the thinnest skin on earth and anytime i say shit besmirching your precious gmt and "muh resale value" like that you launch into a full on throbbing temple vein foaming at the mouth typing spree furiously searching for jellybean f150s that are irrelevant to the discussion. It cracks me up. Do remind me though how long has the silverado been americas best selling truck?

Ohh and i wouldnt take an expedition because we got the excursion which got something the suburbalanches never got.... A factory diesel Ohh and for the record the panther and expedition have the same trans.... 4r75.

 

[WTF?]

Now Back to our regularly scheduled other unscheduled detours..


103k miles on eBay

 

[WTF?]

Ohh and i wouldnt take an expedition because we got the excursion which got something the suburbalanches never got.... A factory diesel Ohh and for the record the panther and expedition have the same trans.... 4r75.

2.5 yrs of 7.3 with front leaf sprung turning radius of a schoolbus and then lots of 6.0 disappointment. Another real notch in The old ford bedpost..

the 6.0 vortec gas ( which I think is an extremely overhyped hd truck powerplant.) runs circles around fords 6.0psd, which isn’t hard to do because the fords been broken down in the junkyard for a decade.

 

[Mikenike]

2.5 yrs of 7.3 with front leaf sprung turning radius of a schoolbus and then lots of 6.0 disappointment. Another real notch in The old ford bedpost..

the 6.0 vortec gas ( which I think is an extremely overhyped hd truck powerplant.) runs circles around fords 6.0psd, which isn’t hard to do wipcause the fords broken down in the junkyard.

Ehh the 6.0 sucks in both makes. The 6.0 ls is a gutless turd in a truck and the 6.0 diesel is a 6.0. And as for the 7.3 we did at least get one and therefore dont have to give 70k for a diesel 3/4 ton suv. Sorry we didn't get the limp noodles that passed for gm suspension in the early 2000s. Ill trade turning radius for a straight axle and supension that can handle a bit of driving anyday. I generally like to used my truck based vehicles for.... Truck things. But gm guys use theirs for commuting as cars witha bed so i can see how it wouldn't meet your exacting standards.

 

[Mikenike]

Ohh and im still waiting for that consecutive run of years gm was americas most popular truck.

 

[WTF?]

Ehh the 6.0 sucks in both makes. The 6.0 ls is a gutless turd in a truck and the 6.0 diesel is a 6.0.

 

[Mikenike]

Finally we can agree on something. Though i will grant you the 6.0 gm actually sounds good while its singing its guts out through a decent exhaust trying to move those pigs.

 

[WTF?]

Finally we can agree on something. Though i will grant you the 6.0 gm actually sounds good while its singing its guts out through a decent exhaust trying to move those pigs.

It’s a fine car motor- street or race. no denying that

 

[WTF?]

Ohh and im still waiting for that consecutive run of years gm was americas most popular truck.

I’m pretty confident tahoes and suburbans outsold expeditions and navigators every year ever in their models history

 

[Ebs]

Wat? GM 6.0l is probably king of the fleet work truck engine. There's probably more minimal maintained high mile raggedyass trucks and vans with the 6.0l still humming along than any other.

 

[Mikenike]

I think tahoes and suburbans outsold expeditions and navigators every year ever.

I said truck. Because it is another thing the silverado guys cant stand. Ohh and 46 years is the number we are looking for.... Ohh wait thats ford

 

[WTF?]

Wat? GM 6.0l is probably king of the fleet work truck engine. There's probably more minimal maintained high mile raggedyass trucks and vans with the 6.0l still humming along than any other.

It’s reliable as a hammer. but it sucks down the gas and doesn’t deliver enough performance improvement over a 5.3 (in stock tune & hd 3/4 ton+ truck usage application) to justify its binge drinking habit.

 

[WTF?]

I said truck. Because it is another thing the silverado guys cant stand. Ohh and 46 years is the number we are looking for.... Ohh wait thats ford

Yeah again there’s so many more of them but you can’t find many f150’s with over 250k on the odometer. Most Fleets sure as hell aren’t running them up that high.

 

[Mikenike]

Yeah again there’s so many more of them but you can’t find many f150’s with over 250k on the odometer. Most Fleets sure as hell aren’t running them up that high.

I honestly dont really care either way... Ive never had a 1/2 ton. Or a ford for that matter.

 

[WTF?]

And as for the 7.3 we did at least get one and therefore dont have to give 70k for a diesel 3/4 ton suv

If firing without spark plugs is your only qualification, we have such fine examples as the 6.2 obs burb and the 6.5 gmt400 3/4 ton suburban chassis sold up to ~98.

And as for $60k duraburbs, you may not have priced a clean low mile 7.3 excursion or Cummins swapped for 6.0 ex (fummins) Because they’re not exactly light on the wallet

 

[Mikenike]

If firing without spark plugs is your only qualification, we have such fine examples as the 6.2 obs burb and the 6.5 gmt400 3/4 ton suburban chassis sold up to ~98.

And as for $60k duraburbs, you may not have priced a clean low mile 7.3 excursion or Cummins swapped for 6.0 ex (fummins) Because they’re not exactly light on the wallet

Not light but better than that 69,999 duraturd that was posted several posts ago. And as for those come on even as a gm guy you should want to deny those exist. Id have a 6.0 ford in a heartbeat over those. But yes i guess i should have added the caveat of decent factory diesel suv

 

[Mikenike]

If firing without spark plugs is your only qualification, we have such fine examples as the 6.2 obs burb and the 6.5 gmt400 3/4 ton suburban chassis sold up to ~98.

And as for $60k duraburbs, you may not have priced a clean low mile 7.3 excursion or Cummins swapped for 6.0 ex (fummins) Because they’re not exactly light on the wallet

Also do any of those even still exist in running condition?

 

[WTF?]

Not light but better than that 69,999 duraturd that was posted several posts ago. And as for those come on even as a gm guy you should want to deny those exist. Id have a 6.0 ford in a heartbeat over those. But yes i guess i should have added the caveat of decent factory diesel suv

90% of the population would say 6.5td all day everyday and twice on Sunday over 6.0psd. (‘In a heartbeat of America ‘. You might say. ) They weren’t very good, but they weren’t tragically terrible. ( 6.2 was undispute ly a national embarrassment.)

 

[Mikenike]

90% of the population would say 6.5td all day everyday and twice on Sunday over 6.0psd. (‘In a heartbeat of America ‘. You might say. ) They weren’t very good, but they weren’t tragically terrible. ( 6.2 was undispute ly a national embarrassment.)

Wanna bet?

Weren't very good is a bit of an understatement. I wouldn't exactly say an engine famous for frying its pmd at random on top of cracking blocks and lest we forget its shared problem with the 6.0.... failed head gaskets is an improvement over something you can throw some studs and a few other low buck bits at and ride. Most people haven't even heard of the 6.5 and if they had they forgot it existed like i did because it was abominably awful.

 

[WTF?]

Wanna bet?

Weren't very good is a but of an understatement. I wouldn't exactly say an engine famous for frying its pmd at random on top of cracking blocks and lest we forget its shared problem with the 6.0.... failed head gaskets is an improvement over something you can throw some studs and a few other low buck bits at and ride. Most people haven't even heard of the 6.5 and if they had they forgot it existed like i did because it was abominably awful.

Not a hill I wanna die on, but you should maybe post a poll thread about least worst between 6.5 and 6.0, it might be too close to call at least.

 

[Mikenike]

Not a hill I wanna die on, but you should maybe post a poll thread about least worst between 6.5 and 6.0, it might be too close to call at least.

Like i said i bet it would be less than fair because most people dont even know that boat anchor existed. They might know it for beeding head studs but they do remember the 6.0

 

[WTF?]

Like i said i bet it would be less than fair because most people dont even know that boat anchor existed. They might know it for beeding head studs but they do remember the 6.0

They were both equally as popular in their heyday for enthusiast wrench turners who figured out how to ‘bulletproof them’ after acquiring them for dirt cheap and make them run ( maybe another 50k mi before detonating again, with either emblem on the grill doesn’t make a big difference) but they had a field full of backup donors.

 

[Mikenike]

They were both equally as popular in their heyday for enthusiast wrench turners who figured out how to ‘bulletproof them’ after acquiring them for dirt cheap and make them run ( maybe another 50k mi before detonating again, with either emblem on the grill doesn’t make a big difference) but they had a field full of backup donors.

Ehh maybe. Id still bet on a 6.0 though. Its kind of hard to bulletproof an engine who's achilles heel was splitting its cranks and blocks. That said i do know of a bone stock 6.0 that made it to 500k before the truck was rolled over. I know i know im as amazed as you. Towed every day and still ran upside down in the ditch after the rollover. So so far in personal experience 6.0 is up 4 to 0 on the 6.5. As in i know of 4 6.0s in my experience that still run with minimal work.... And 0 6.5s. I do know where one is though if you have a hankering for one so bad.

 

[WTF?]

Ehh maybe. Id still bet on a 6.0 though. Its kind of hard to bulletproof an engine who's achilles heel was splitting its cranks and blocks. That said i do know of a bone stock 6.0 that made it to 500k before the truck was rolled over. I know i know im as amazed as you. Towed every day and still ran upside down in the ditch after the rollover. So so far in personal experience 6.0 is up 4 to 0 on the 6.5. As in i know of 4 6.0s in my experience that still run with minimal work.... And 0 6.5s. I do know where one is though if you have a hankering for one so bad.

I drove/ watched my aunt and uncle struggle with several of the later ‘fixed’ 6.0s back when they were still under warranty and the dealers couldn’t keep them out of the service bay running properly. Steaming hot piles of garbage.