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2005 Escalade EXT (aka GMT 800 argument thread)

OutlawRider said:
So good in fact I have debated selling my two post lift to a Ford guy so he can take the cab off for spark plug changes. It even comes color matched in Ford blue.
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I guess this would be a bad time to mention that as fun as it has been watching you and wtf? do a whole lot of assuming based on the fact that i said that a panther or new edge was a better high mile commuter than the gmt 800 my last three trucks were dodges?:lmao: My favorite of those spent time at the bottom of a lake and id still take it over a duramax.:flipoff2::usa:

That said I've done caboff on a f350 or 10 (6.blow cause even ford built a few losers) and its way less of a pain to me than putting a new suspension under something everytime i want to use it as a truck:flipoff2:.
 
Mikenike said:
I guess this would be a bad time to mention that as fun as it has been watching you and wtf? do a whole lot of assuming based on the fact that i said that a panther or new edge was a better high mile commuter than the gmt 800 my last three trucks were dodges?:lmao: My favorite of those spent time at the bottom of a lake and id still take it over a duramax.:flipoff2::usa:

That said I've done caboff on a f350 or 10 (6.blow cause even ford built a few losers) and its way less of a pain to me than putting a new suspension under something everytime i want to use it as a truck:flipoff2:.
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I guess you and CamaroGenius were destined to be friends. Do you like sweet tea too?
 
WTF? said:
nope, its a fair price but not a fly&drive my happy ass half way across the country price. Unless someone wants to drive it 1200 miles east for fuel $, Filthy McChevy might want to pickup the ball on the internet stalking here where i'm tapping out though. :laughing:
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Nah, kids out on there own, no more Suburbans for me. Not taking 8 kids to birthday party destinations ever again. Had several Suburbans in the past. I'd even get an avalanche 8.1 first.
 
Mikenike said:
They wont get that argument. Thats what i tried to point out was that they should be looking at what people wont sell or let the company take after its totaled. But somehow muh resale value more importanter.
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Nobody wants to own even a super mint jellybean, (at $5k with 17 hrs left on a no reserve auction) much less suffer through putting 250k+ miles on one:flipoff2::lmao:;

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WTF? said:
Nobody wants to own even a super mint jellybean, (at $5k with 17 hrs left on a no reserve auction) much less suffer through putting 250k+ miles on one:flipoff2::lmao:;

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And here i thought we had established the jellybean was irrelevant to our discussion since it was about daily driving platforms in which i never once mentioned those. But there you go again assuming shit and you know what they say about that. You have some weird hangups dude. Shrug

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Also i find it rather hilarious you got so worked into a tizzy you have wasted way more time looking at jellybean f150s than i ever will:flipoff2: because....

You definitely missed a few posts up where i said all my trucks have had ram horns on the grill:flipoff2:
Sure the packaging is shitty but im a sucker for a cummins.
 
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After reading this thread I don’t even know what 3/4-1 ton truck to look for.

I was blissfully looking at 8.1 2500HD’s. :laughing:

Everything I’ve ever worked on a Ford was a mother fucker, but the Super Dutys are a dime a dozen for sale and generally cheaper than an 8.1, until you get to 6.2 territory.

This thread has already been derailed so many times it’s just a truck free for all here! :flipoff2:
 
FleshEater said:
After reading this thread I don’t even know what 3/4-1 ton truck to look for.

I was blissfully looking at 8.1 2500HD’s. :laughing:

Everything I’ve ever worked on a Ford was a mother fucker, but the Super Dutys are a dime a dozen for sale and generally cheaper than an 8.1, until you get to 6.2 territory.

This thread has already been derailed so many times it’s just a truck free for all here! :flipoff2:
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Take it for what it’s worth. I love my 8.1s. Stock for stock, the 8.1s seem to pull better than the same vintage Duramax in my opinion. Never driven an 8.1/4l80e combo personally so can’t comment on burb/avalanche platform.

Just for reference I have these in my “fleet”:
8.1 2500HD 2wd
LB7 2500HD 4x4
LBZ 2500HD 4x4 (not much time on this)
6.0 2500 2wd

I daily drive the 6.0 and the LB7
 
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OutlawRider said:
Take it for what it’s worth. I love my 8.1s. Stock for stock, the 8.1s seem to pull better than the same vintage Duramax in my opinion. Never driven an 8.1/4l80e combo personally so can’t comment on burb/avalanche platform.
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They are legit. I’d at least say better than powerstroke for sure.
If by “truck stuff” we mean Offroad work like JR4X does, ya, SFA superior.
Tow rig? Give me the ifs for the money. I fix my own shit, rock auto slings pitman/idler arms cheaply. Send it.
 
WTF? said:
Nobody wants to own even a super mint jellybean, (at $5k with 17 hrs left on a no reserve auction) much less suffer through putting 250k+ miles on one:flipoff2::lmao:;

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Well, I do not hate them. Some of them are uglier than others, but put some lightning parts on them and a Whipple and have fun.

Personally I think those trucks had one of ford's better interiors. Decently laid out, good materials, great seats, not over the top like everything is now, the last generation before gadgets got out of control.
 
Ummduh said:
Well, I do not hate them. Some of them are uglier than others, but put some lightning parts on them and a Whipple and have fun.

Personally I think those trucks had one of ford's better interiors. Decently laid out, good materials, great seats, not over the top like everything is now, the last generation before gadgets got out of control.
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yeah, i mean the seller was pretty lazy about not detailing the engine bay / undercarriage, i think the tale of which brand holds a higher demand from the same era is well evidenced through the fact that the clean low mile 2-tone lariat ford is substantially underperforming the auction for this heavily-molested, mid-tier optioned gmt400 with 100k more miles: :laughing:
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WTF? said:
yeah, i mean the seller was pretty lazy about not detailing the engine bay / undercarriage, i think the tale of which brand holds a higher demand from the same era is well evidenced through the fact that the clean low mile 2-tone lariat ford is substantially underperforming the auction for this heavily-molested, mid-tier optioned gmt400 with 100k more miles: :laughing:
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I mean, that one comes with a bed tent.

Nothing to do with the Ford being a 4.6 and 2wd, though, for sure.
 
45acp said:
Yea I don't hate the jellybean... not fun to work on under the hood otherwise pretty decent trucks for that era. :confused:
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Ummduh said:
I mean, that one comes with a bed tent.

Nothing to do with the Ford being a 4.6 and 2wd, though, for sure.
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I'm starting to become genuinely curious if he can show me on the doll where the jellybean touched him:lmao:. Dude has jellybean f150s doing donuts in his head rent free. :stirthepot:
 
Front end whine was a bad drivers side roller bearing and seal in the diff. $26 for Timken bearing and seal.

The seal is the same as the front crank seal FYI.

Are these brakes always kinda spongy? My 2500 has a hard pedal, this is just mushy. lines have been done already. I remember my GMT-400 having shitty brakes but they were single piston and drum rear.

Trying to figure out the rear HVAC now, it only blows cold. Replaced the module and triggered the blend door manually, it still only blows cold. I think I need a Tech 2 to calibrate them or something.
 
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KacksterK5 said:
Front end whine was a bad drivers side roller bearing and seal in the diff. $26 for Timken bearing and seal.

The seal is the same as the front crank seal FYI.

Are these brakes always kinda spongy? My 2500 has a hard pedal, this is just mushy. lines have been done already. I remember my GMT-400 having shitty brakes but they were single piston and drum rear.
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is the 2500 hydroboost with the pwr steering pump? Because by comparison, vacuum booster can seem spongy. they also feel better with new fresh pads-( my armchair qb WAG is although i know fluid doesnt compress but there's a lot of additional fluid volume in the system to slosh as the 4 pistons on each side extend)

gmt400's had some extremely prevalent issue with aftermarket boosters/masters that led to overboosted pedal that the throw felt like putting your foot in a bowl of jello as you inadvertently nearly deposited the passenger's teeth on the dashpad.
 
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WTF? said:
is the 2500 hydroboost with the pwr steering pump? Because by comparison, vacuum booster can seem spongy. they also feel better with new fresh pads-( my armchair qb WAG is although i know fluid doesnt compress but there's a lot of additional fluid volume in the system to slosh as the 4 pistons on each side extend)

gmt400's had some extremely prevalent issue with aftermarket boosters/masters that led to overboosted pedal that the throw felt like putting your foot in a bowl of jello as you inadvertently nearly deposited the passenger's teeth on the dashpad.
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his is hydroboost too. at least my 02' EXT and 04' Yukon both are. Did 1/2 ton GMT800's come with vac boosters too? thought they're all HB setups
 
Yep, 2500 is hydroboost and I know that's a better setup, replacing the factory braided lines coming out of the master cyl this week and hoe it gets better. Tahoe is vacuum, not hydro for sure. RPO code is JC4 for vacuum. Hydroboost is JH5

The 400 never put anyone's teeth in the dash pad, that thing would barely stop and I could get it to brake fade to nothing like a champ on back roads.
 
budget76 said:
his is hydroboost too. at least my 02' EXT and 04' Yukon both are. Did 1/2 ton GMT800's come with vac boosters too? thought they're all HB setups
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yes, vac and hydroboost installations could alternate consecutive spots on the production line depending on the RPO code. at least on the half ton's/ suv's for sure.
my brother and i had nearly identically speced z71 trucks 1 my apart (04 vs 05) his hydro and mine vac.
 
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FleshEater said:
After reading this thread I don’t even know what 3/4-1 ton truck to look for.

I was blissfully looking at 8.1 2500HD’s. :laughing:

Everything I’ve ever worked on a Ford was a mother fucker, but the Super Dutys are a dime a dozen for sale and generally cheaper than an 8.1, until you get to 6.2 territory.

This thread has already been derailed so many times it’s just a truck free for all here! :flipoff2:
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Well I don't think the pulling ability/ driving experience of a gas blue oval surpasses and/or catches up to 8.1/allison until you get up to a 6.2/6 speed auto pooper dooty.


note to all that are about to get their panties in a twist, we're departing from half ton land this has thread has largely existed in (except for panther/new edge fetish guys) to discuss 3/4 ton up trucks which is a different league.

The first 2 generations of super duty interiors might have a slight edge but are not exactly lightyears ahead of GMT800; they both wear quite similarly under similar care/treatment- you'll find hammered, spidercracked, bare seat foam examples that were used as worktrucks in both flavors, and the ones that were pampered are nice but not without their flaws. And neither top end trimlevel trucks are going to be mistaken for a lexus or mercedes.

If you want a crewcab with 4 full doors there's probably at least 5 fords to every one GM.

making a u-turn in a leafsprung front super duty CC requires no less than a 6 lane highway or medium size parking lot. ( OK, maybe its only between 2 and 3.5 feet more turning radius than comparable GM configurations dependent on configuration but a cclb ford required 61' within which to hang a u and the 7' less it takes for the chevy is noticable). I'm going to suggest the ford needs to be coil sprung front to get into contention..

the V10 pulls marginally adequately (no replacement for displacement) and drinks gas about like the 8.1, but doesn't have the effortless low end torque of the 8.1 (stock for stock- i have never driven a v10 without the choker y-pipe) and the stock trans programming even in tow/haul is vague/soft; not really confidence inspiring that it has firmly made a shift.

5.4 oval might win over the 6.0 gm because it might get much better mpg empty; you have to rev the piss out of both of them to get them to do much work. And i feel better about foot on the floor all day reliability of the 5.4, but i've never driven a ford that i owned/had any stake in and never drove a loaded 6.0 that i didn't have financial responsibility for smoking the trans out of and funding the fuel.

You didn't ask about a 6.0 but I don't understand how anyone would be truly pleased with a 6.0 while grossing much over 12k; it guzzles fuel way more than a 5.3 for a disproportionately low performance gain ( i chased an unobtainable goal of 11 mpg empty got close once at 55mph with a tailwind in my ccsb 4x4 2500hd 6.0 4l80e)- it'll tow 8500 lbs aroung flat ground/rolling hills, but not without effort and judicious application of accelerator pedal; maybe 6 speed auto would make it better i've never driven one that I can recall and if i did it was a uhaul box van that was well within that 12k gross.

People that are honest with themselves, and actually use a truck beyond 1/2 ton capabilities, will admit (to themselves at least) that the 6.0 or 5.4 gasser is just 'good enough for what it cost me versus the next better option.'
And yeah, big block/v10's guzzle fuel too, and thats certainly a factor. But they're also at least on the same playing field as a 7.3 psd or 12v cummins in stock tune, with cheaper maintenance/consumables.
Pulling the same load- It takes a lot of gallons of 87 octane at $1/gal cheaper and 6.5-7 mpg for the 8.1/v10 to catch up to a diesel getting say 10 mpg that you had to pay $5-7-10k more to buy; BEFORE you even start to consider replacing a $1,800 set of dizzle injectors.
 
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WTF? said:
Well I don't think the pulling ability/ driving experience of a gas blue oval surpasses and/or catches up to 8.1/allison until you get to a 6.2/6 speed auto pooper dooty.
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3V V10 is a ripper and the 5 or 6 speed trans were great. Shame they weren't more popular, seems like everyone in that time peroid bought POS 6.0/6.4 diesels or it was a fleet truck with a 5.4
 
If we skate into 3/4 ton land this thread is doomed. I digress. My Blackbear tuned 6.0 drives much better than a stock one. Tows 9000 fine but it's there. Get's 14 mpg ish daily and if you hook an empty lawn trailer to it, that goes down to 8. My record is 4mpg when when we were late to go crawling and I was in the 90-100 mph range killing it. It's like there's a switch on the hitch that makes it get 8 with anything hooked to it. I've driven it 200k miles. I'm extremely happy with it.

Tech 2 arrives today to try and get the rear HVAC working. There's some sort of motor running in the ceiling near the temp sensor in the rear. I can hear it when I put my ear to the headliner. already replaced the module with a junkyard one. See if that makes a difference.
 
mjlogan88 said:
3V V10 is a ripper and the 5 or 6 speed trans were great. Shame they weren't more popular, seems like everyone in that time peroid bought POS 6.0/6.4 diesels or it was a fleet truck with a 5.4
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i think most of my miles were put on a 2v v10. but does the 3v also need to be unchoked at the y pipe? later v10 is also very comparable in price ballpark with 8.1 trucks.

And in any event, the 6.xl triton v10 doesn't compare to the 8.1's tabletop-like torque curve:

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I don't know fords encyclopedically so for the class which v10's/ year/chassis have how many valves and autos with 4/5/6 speeds? ( as i recall 6 speed v-10 is the very last/ quite rare of the breed.)
 
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