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1972 F-250 2wd to 4wd build

Finally got going on the bumper project. Had material and rough plan for awhile but had to wait for a time that I could actually think clearly enough to do anything.
Step one was cardboard templates and general plan. I started with 2 variations; a flat top and another with an extra bevel. The bevel makes it look more modern, the flat top more simple, blocky and better fit for a '72.
Then tried a few variations of the center panel width, 24, 26, 28. Made another attempt with the bottom plate angled up to maximize approach, but gain was minimal and with center panel shorter the wings didn't have as much slope and looked boring, out of place.
Plan C was to copy the Protofab design, which is a wedge and mounts winch up high out of the top of the bumper. It has steep sexy angles and maximizes approach but I want the winch hidden and focus on the truck, not the bump/winch.


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Want to make another? I need one for my War Pig.

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like everything on this build the bumper turned out wicked as well
 
like everything on this build the bumper turned out wicked as well

Awesome bumper-build. :smokin:
Thanks guys. I'm liking how it came out. I have a plan for the rear bumper, sheet metal mods to give it a butt lift. how it goes with a long bed...

Weighed truck again, bumpers, spare, tools & shit added 550 lbs, so it's officially a pig now at 6060 with me and fuel. So with passenger and beer cooler trail weight will be around 6300+.

Towed boat around the block to check out how it handles a decent weight trailer, swerve, heavy braking. Did better than I thought.
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Loving the build.

As far as the hvac, I just stumbled across this on fordification for a nice little upgrade.


Thanks for sharing 'bump. No pics for me as I'm not a member, but I think I get the idea. Guessing it is the regular heater box w/o A/C. The A/C fan motor assembly physically different although any motor could be adapted.
The airflow of the stock system was more than adequate, even too much on high as it was really loud and annoying. The split and total BTU cooling was not very good though. Condenser is not that big.
 
Looks like there is some interest in the AC system so here are some details of my quest for cool breezes.
The truck was retrofitted with a Sanden 9285 (R12) and a new dryer/condenser with O-ring fitting and new hoses at some point. When I bought truck there was no AC belt, pump was not aligned, as it would hit the fan. I fixed that and tired it out, it was still holding refrigerant (holy shit!). Didn't work well at all, added some R12 I happened to have, pressures OK, split sucked. Disconnected heater core, that helped a lot but still not great. Fan motor bearings were shot, wiring toast. Limped for one summer, better than nothing.

So trying to move forward on A/C system. For some reason I've been avoiding it. I drug all the crap out of storage but it has just sat for 3 months on my workbench. Usually I keep my bench clean and void of anything that is not an 'active project'. I hoped that the clutter would motivate. Not so much as I built a bumper instead.
I guess it is because each piece has a road block of some sort, so no easy progress on any aspect.
  • All wiring burned out; fuse block, fan switch, A/C function switch
  • Fan motor toast
  • Defrost duct missing
  • All foam and seals old, disintegrated
  • Heater valve leaks, shot
  • No room for compressor, hits fan. Have to move motor or mod pulley. No brackets, have to fab.
  • No room for condenser, have to mod core and grill
  • have to move dry/receiver, so need some new hoses


And with engine swap, need to build a new compressor bracket, but the comp clutch contacts the fan. Need to decide on solution for that before building bracket, although the bracket has to be adjustable somewhat. Can't move fan forward, as there is no room between radiator. So have to modify the crank pulley or move all the drivetrain back to allow fan spacer. Can't buy a 1/4" fan spacer, so have to make one. Can get a 1/2" spacer, but can't move motor that far. There are pulley shim kits that I could stack, but that is cheesy. Tried to cut down crank pulley in lathe, but my lathe is too small. I do want a bigger lathe, but, well, that is a whole different discussion.

The condenser doesn't fit in between trans cooler and grill, so grill mods and mount brackets will need to be built. The drier was mounted where the coil over tower is now, so need to find a new location and build a bracket. This will require new hoses to be made, or maybe a combo with hard lines.

I did put in provisions for wiring upgrades. I ran a dedicated 30A circuit for fan motor so current doesn't go through the main harness. Converting clutch control circuit to low current, just driving a relay to the EFI system. But EFI is active low logic so added inverter, and EFI has end control on A/C clutch.

So I started on rebuilding the HVAC box in the cab, gathering parts. Factory A/C parts are hard to find and expensive, so I repaired what I had. Fan switch also does A/C clutch control. Medium speed didn't work at all, high was intermittent. I pulled switch apart and cleaned contacts. Had to reshape the wiper to get robust operation.
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The system has a switch to lock out compressor clutch when not in A/C mode that is actuated with one of the cables. It was also burned out due to the inductive nature of the clutch coil. When A/C is shut off, the magnetic field collapses and the stored energy produces damaging high voltage/current in the circuit. This switch will become isolated behind a relay, and relay protected with a 'flyback' diode.
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The heater core is the last item to come out of the assembly, making it the worst thing to have to service. It wasn't leaking, but I pressure tested it and cleaned it.
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The 72 factory A/C system was a retrofit into the space available and not the best solution. One aspect I wanted to improve was isolating the heat from the cool in at least 3 ways
-improved 4 port heater hose bypass valve
-Thermal insulation between cores
-Sealing heater core from low pressure side of fan assembly.

The heat side blend door seal was poor at best. If it leaks, air is drawn across the heater core and dilutes AC effectiveness. The goal is to get the door to seal with the limited amount of force the cable and linkage system can apply. Tried a few different types of gasket material to find one with the right crush. Since one seal edge is on the hinge (terrible design), it bunches up the seal in the pinch zone and prevents the opposite side from even touching, so I contoured the foam with roloc disc to get a nice fit.
The OEM seal design on the cool side door is also poor at best, but I don't care and left bare with no gaskets. Why? because the heater core provides plenty of BTUs and A/C can effectively be shut off. I don't care if air leaks across evaporator as it get pulled into fan. The result of leakage is just recirculating in cab air in heat mode.
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But the real issue was that the linkage between the complementary heat and cool doors was too long, resulting in the heat door not being able to close all the way. So I shortened the linkage and adjusted the switch contact. This makes the heat door the assembly travel limit instead of the cool door.
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Last step was some bubble insulation on the metal division wall between the cores. You can see here how the factory retrofit results in heat function pulling outside air only and A/C is recirculate only.
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Puttering on AC system. The vents were fubar, the vanes didn't get along with one another and the control slide didn't contact at all. So I had a long conversation with them and myself until I understood the root of their problems. Added some shims and bent things until they were robust enough.
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The face trim was missing a chunk below the vents so I cut a piece of PVC in the rough shape and painted. Close enough. Also painted over the woodgrain, I assume that the A/C was made for the 'Ranger' optioned trucks with it's wood trim, so all A/C boxes were the same(?). Explorers were a mid year option package, but didn't get any of the other wood crap. So now it is 'camera case' black, haha.
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Installed a new fan motor assembly. For some reason I had to clean and paint all the bare metal inside the HVAC box, which cannot be seen, makes no difference and no one cares. I over-evaluated each seal and it's effect on cabin climate change, leaving most alone, and screwed it shut.
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I started by repositioning the engine back and down to allow a fan spacer to resolve interference with A/C pump/fan. Pulled motor mounts to hack them up. The root of the issue is that the engine cross member I built is up too high, making front of motor sit up too high as well. This puts fan blades up at radiator tank, further limiting clearance. Fan shroud has to fit in between also.
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So it made sense to address the root issue, low motor, but that causes other clearance issues and rework of other systems. Not a lot of room to lower about 1/4", leaving less than 1/4" to pan. Also moved drivetrain back about 1/2" or so, what was left of the adjustment range at trans mount. This lowered fan about 1/2", and gets fan blades below upper radiator tank, which should be enough.
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Now blades are below tank, room for 1/2 spacer, in theory.
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When motor comes out for rear main reseal, I will notch the crossmember slightly to allow additional oil plan clearance. This will allow plenty of room for pan to drop down for front timing cover R&R with motor in chassis (again, haha). Or perhaps lower engine further in future.

Right header is now very tight. Should still be able to remove it. Should. Transfer case almost contacts cab floor bracing. I notched, but now it is almost touching again. poo. Can lower at trans mount, but driveshaft is already close to trans cross member. Good times. :)
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Finished motor relocation project. Used mock up bushings and tacked the mounts in place with shim between oil pan rear sump and crossmember.
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After final weld/warp, I used press to flatten out the pad so holes line up nicely.
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Put left side back in to start on right, and saw that the FRONT sump of oil pan was almost touching the crossmember. So then had to clearance the cross member to get reasonable gap. Engine had to be this low for any benefit to come from the whole job.
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Looked like a 1/2" fan spacer would now fit so found one, but pilot was to small (BBF is 0.750") and couldn't be hogged out. So instead of waiting a few weeks just whipped one up in the lathe out of 2.5" aluminum stock. Drilled a 3/4 hole all the way through and used some 3/4 stock for pilot so depth is adjustable, friction fit.
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But like the rest of the job, nothing is easy. Fan clutch won't allow use of longer bolt to accommodate spacer, so had to use studs. Studs plus fan just barley fit between radiator and water pump.
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And my new custom fan shroud now has hole in wrong place, so re-worked the lower half with plasma. But fit to fan was too tight, so increased diameter by 1/2" as well.
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The upper half was toss and start over. Fan center is down about 3/4", so no longer need to bump the ring out of the top of the box. Much easier to fab. couple cuts, 5 bends, booger welds, done.
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But fit was too tight on top. I left an inch of overlap that would allow vertical adjustment, but hit upper radiator tank. So made a relief for rad tank to allow it to slide up and get fan-to-shroud gap where I want it.
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So all that work to get things back to were they were. Looks about the same, but now with spacer to allow room for A/C pump.
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Wow, this has to be the hardest A/C conversion ever :eek:

I would have given up way before moving drivetrain bits around, but then again, I don't live in Tucson :homer:
 
Awesome work as usual... :smokin:

Watching this one, as I have a 70 I may need to add some aftermarket A/C into.
 
Wow, this has to be the hardest A/C conversion ever :eek:

I would have given up way before moving drivetrain bits around, but then again, I don't live in Tucson :homer:
Sadly I'm just trying to put the stock AC system back in.
It really points back to poor decisions earlier. I choose not to re-do the engine cross member when I first put engine in chassis. I knew engine was up too high and moved forward with build anyway. Was concerned with front axle up travel at that time, but turned out sheet metal was limit way before cross member.
On the other hand, I could still be fucking around with the chassis and make it into a 10 year project.

I want this to be a 4 season truck so A/C is needed to enjoy. I'm old and I want to be comfortable.

Awesome work as usual... :smokin:

Watching this one, as I have a 70 I may need to add some aftermarket A/C into.
those retrofit systems are pricey now.
 
Working on the condenser mounting and grill modifications to get it to fit. Don't really want to hard mount on all 4 corners, hope to use the trans cooler lower floating mounts somehow.
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Working on the condenser mounting and grill modifications to get it to fit. Don't really want to hard mount on all 4 corners, hope to use the trans cooler lower floating mounts somehow.
Can you use an isolation washer of some sort. That way you don't have to recreate the wheel when it comes to mounting?
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yes, the trans cooler behind the condenser already has factory rubber mounts on the 2 bottom legs, so hope to just attach to them. Can't see them in the pic. Issues is the condenser mounting provisions on the bottom are cheesy at best. Have to get creative to make something decent.
 
I wanted to piggy back on to the trans coolers lower rubber isolated mounts (6L OEM) so kept it simple and attached with 2 screws. Made some spacers to prevent mount rail collapse.
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With condenser mounted, moved on to mods to grill support. First was the center bracket, added a jog in it to clear the condenser.
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The big problem was depth to gill support, so had to narrow it down some. Was hoping to keep the hood latch ring intact for structural integrity. 1st pass attempt was to section out the minimum amount to get it all to work. But an old Ford is not perfectly strait or consistent, right side was much tighter and when front clip is removed/re-installed it will be different. So I went back and cut again for plenty of clearance knowing ring would have to go.
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How it ended up. Still plenty of rigidity at latch. Plenty of clearance everywhere.
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Then onto hose routing. Previous routing was a hack, hoses through wiring holes, so needed a new plan. Relocating drier from fender to to core support, so was able to reuse OEM hole for hose to drier. Would like to make a new rubber bushing for it at some point, and another for the firewall.
For hose from pump, cut a hole (a big one, because I make everything too tight) then after fitting hose closed half of it back up.
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Temporarily mounted old drier for mock-up, as the new one is filled with inert gas.
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Them onto pump mounting. Will fab my own mounts for sanden pump. Plan to use DOM tubing rails that can be shimmed instead of a plate style. But steering pump really needs to be moved to make it right. Won't be able to get the belt off. I had a longer belt that put PS pump at a steeper angle, but the fluid pours out when truck is steep side angles. So bottom mount need to be redone to move pump to the left. Also have to create an idler/tensioner setup.
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I offer the following with respect to your choices/ obviously skilled fabrication technique-

In my experience, the fan/ shroud works best if the fan is only halfway "inside" the lip of the shroud.
As it is now, it looks too deep. Hopefully it works for you.
 
I offer the following with respect to your choices/ obviously skilled fabrication technique-

In my experience, the fan/ shroud works best if the fan is only halfway "inside" the lip of the shroud.
As it is now, it looks too deep. Hopefully it works for you.
I have heard 1/2 way in is ideal but with packaging constraints I had to take what I can get. Even on the 2nd go round. Supposedly can cause cavitation. That said the mechanical fan on my 2014 F250 6.7 is all the way in the shroud ring. Perhaps safety is a reason.
 
Made some more progress on A/C system. Have a lot of hours into it. Part of the 'problem' is that I am finding reasons to re-work, improve and turd polish things.

Step -2 was to re-work the power steering mount. Move bottom of pump outward 1.5", this orients reservoir more vertical to prevent fluid loss and make room to tilt pump in to remove/install belt.

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In addition to P/S interference the lower bolts on the compressor were very close to P/S belt and would chafe belt when deflected at high RPM. So compressor had to move up, might as well move in a bit also. I was avoiding making a big heavy mess of steel bracketry, so ended up with this.

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The front of the compressor is supported by a simple link. The pair of bolts is for mock-up and replaced with a single long bolt to help align.

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I welded all the DOM dowels to make the mount just 2 pieces. Simple enough?

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The OEM idler/tensioner I has wasn’t really usable so had to engineer a setup. I bought a generic idler that mounts with a bolt so I could fab with simple bar and dowel. Has a communist sized bolt though. Ended up using just 2 links to locate and support, one slotted to adjust. The extra slot fits down into water pump area and came out nice. Seems plenty rigid.

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I wanted compressor as low and tight to the motor as possible to minimize it in the engine bay. I could have avoided moving engine by using alt belt, but pump would have to be above valve cover to clear, which would look like shit, among other problems. So ended up with this.

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Step -1 was to address wiring. I had put in most provisions already including relay based inverter to work with logic low of Sniper EFI clutch control and clutch circuit including fuse & relay. The engine harness didn’t have any loose wires, so to add I had to rework and add a wire loom to include clutch wiring from firewall to motor. Bundled with distributor trigger. There were no provisions for refrigerant pressure switch, and no provisions to running wiring across core support. Decided to add some 3/4” EMT conduit using existing holes in core support. This will also support future wiring upgrade of headlights, then no wiring on left fender at all.

I debated where in clutch circuit to locate the pressure switch. There are 5 contacts in series that gate the clutch operation. I decided to place it pre-ECU so the EFI reads the final commanded clutch state. The EFI alters idle RPM depending on clutch state, is last in the chain, and finally controls the clutch itself. It also locks out clutch on startup and WOT. So dug into the relay box and made some mods. Used a 2-pin weather pack connector to connect into main harness. This way the connector shell can be removed to get wiring through conduit. Do not have to cut any wires to do maintenance, no zip ties.

While I was there I reworked the forward harness that contains horn, ECU ground, alt and starter wiring. Because, well, yes.

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With pump, idler, and condenser mounted it was time to tackle refrigerant hoses. Temporarily mounted evap box in cab to mock-up hose lengths and clocking of fittings. Getting this thing in it’s hole is a major PITA! Could have tried to use old hoses but move drier so decided to start over and build my own hoses.

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Used old drier for mock-up, still need to build a final mount for new one. Need to do something with firewall hole seal. Drilled a hole in firewall at specific location for hose clamp to get hose radius to look how I want. Had local A/C shop crimp the fittings and test fit them. Not too bad.

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Still a long way to go on this. Have to pull evap box and mod interior firewall blankie and secure somehow during installation. Molded heater core hoses can’t be bought so got some 90s and unions to cobble something together. Connect control cables, wiring, coolant valve, purge system, leak test. Then can fill with R12 and see what happens. What could go wrong?
 
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Some better pics of idler. Initially I farted around with all types of spacer arrangements with the links to separate them, for more leverage on the bolt, double shear-ish, but it looked goofy and was plenty rigid with them touching. If I moved the short spacer in between, both could be welded to fixed link to make one piece. Used lathe to square ends and creep up on lengths. I had recently bought some lengths of DOM with roughly 3/8 and 1/2 IDs to make spacers like this. Was nice to have plenty on hand and be able to use remnants and washers for mock-up lengths.
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Put another long day into A/C system details. Was about to install underdash box final time, then decided to get longer elbows to avoid another pair of spices at firewall. When I was searching for info on generic 90* elbows I saw they could be had in sizes from 6" to 24". I found some with 18" long side at local parts store and another hose close enough to work. Torqued flare fitting on A/C hoses as I knew it was not possible when installed, ready to go in.
After wrestling the box in I worked on the wiring, cables, hoses, firewall seal and condensation drain. I temporarily used the existing HVAC circuit in the main harness to test, all works ok. The fan switch is a bit sketchy, high speed setting on the switch has a dead spot, but still works. I ran a heavy gauge wire to fuse block to remove current from main harness, but need to add a relay so HVAC is only on when key is. The run/acc wire is not present in engine compartment, so did not use space in relay box there, and plan to place relay behind dash instead.
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Coil over towers complicated heater hose mounting, so made a bracket with captive stud that mounts to fender sheet metal.
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I upgraded to a 4 port heater core bypass valve, hoping it will keep core flow to minimum. Didn't connect hoses yet.
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Next step is to decide on oil and port fittings. I picked up some universal oil w/ die from local manufacturer.
Could pull pump, remove rear cover (supposedly) and dump out old oil. Measure, put in same amount or a few oz more. Not sure it is beneficial, but time is now.
The R12 fittings are a pain and spray refrigerant all over when disconnecting. This seems to be inherent in design, and blows out o-ring on hose fitting before shrader valve gets closed. So considering using adapters for 134 quick connects. But refrigerant will remain R12 and hence a mismatch.
 
With weight of heavier front bumper, winch and A/C system the front end has dropped about 3/4", so it was time to swap heavier front springs back in. Had already broken the rules and added an inch of preload to the 200/300 combo, so didn't want to go any further. So back to 250/350 setup with no preload, which hits target ride height. Easy enough...

Well not so much. The right bump mounts was binding against coilover, so I clearanced until it didn't when limit strap was tight, 'full droop'. But this hack didn't address beyond limit strap limit, like when swapping springs. Problem is, to get bump mount off, shock is in the way. And now now visa-versa, which is an unacceptable conundrum. Shock shaft was not happy. Disconnect track bar to get springs in.
So had to revisit bump mount. Cut another 1/2" off the outer side. Had to fill and move 2 mount holes also.
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Now have 1/2" gap with strap tight, and more margin to work with when going beyond. Some day I will re-engineer bump mounts....
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Finally wrapped up A/C system on the old Ford. Changed directions a few times on oils, refrigerants, methods. Ended up converting to 134a so system is maintainable. I replaced about 75% of the oil by draining compressor and refilling with POE/ester 'retro' oil. Didn't want to wait for new condenser and/or new mounts so just used old as-is, no flush to it or evap. New hoses, drier, orings, 134 adapters.

Started to fill with refrigerant and OEM 30a heater fuse blew. Looked like heat damage instead of overcurrent, solder melted out. So even repaired the circuit was not usable due to higher resistance of contacts. Fan current is only 12A. Switched over to the new dedicated HVAC circuit I added but it is not switched with key, but allowed me to finish service. 20A fuse, 12ga wire.

Put in three 12oz cans of 134a, vent temp at 50, park, idle. 25* split. Pressure low at 25/250, 100 ambient, but stopped there to evaluate further.

Added relay to HVAC circuit. Had some left over 0.25 disconnect terminals that fit relay sockets, so was able to add cleanly without any splices. My understanding of the Snipers A/C control was not correct, so had to rewire somewhat. I think it only does WOT cut out, and control is just that 'off' only. Assumed it did over temp, stall/startup and so on but no.

Took the truck on a short camping trip, now in comfort with A/C! Hit grocery store for necessities, system was able to cool hot cab (120+) quick enough in the sun. Once rolling vent temps are around 40 on low, and low is plenty to freeze me out. High fan speed is obnoxiously loud. Fan belt started slipping, now out of adjustment range. Coolant temps were in 200-215 range. Appears clutch wants to operate between these numbers, I see temp fall on steep grade climbs even with A/C on. Same results this morning when it was only 70* ambient, so it appears cooling system is just doing it's thing. Would be nice to tweak fan clutch to a lower range.

Drove on some rocks. More brakes would be good.
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Poser pic, well because.
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Made it to and back so success. Wind noise in cab is loud at 65. >55 is fine, but 60+ not so much. Can't hear tires and exhaust is not bad.
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