AlxJ64
Rust is Paint
I've always wanted an old Cinci No series Vertical Mill. Yes, the Hz is probably more versatile but the Vertical machines are just works of art to me. Also, yes, Fireball Tool has a No 6 and it dwarfs this No 2 by an additional nearly +11k lbs (this machine is 7200 to 8k depending on what resource you use and what features it may have had)
Found one on the ol' FB Marketplace back in March but the seller wanted "actual" money for it. I asked a few questions about it but then had a list of other things and expenses arise. Well, same machine shows up again in November and the price is no longer actual money and is including RPC and potentially some tooling with it.
(I had started to type out the long story of how the seller failed to inform me that the head on the machine was stuck, both in text and verbal phone conversations. Additionally he lied about reasons for the handles being removed was not for preservation during moving but rather due to having a broken drive box, and the retrieval location was significantly steeper and tighter than he described and even the photos that were sent were mixtures of where he bought it vs where it was now and hid or skewed the situation and differed than verbally described) - see photo of tiny attached garage in a tiny tight neighborhood. I was livid when I arrived to find the issues but also had prepared myself as I was getting the sketchy vibe from the situation. I told him no deal unless the price dropped because the situation I drove 600 miles to find was undeniably not what had been described and information had been withheld. He played the "I thought I told you, must have been someone else I talked to". He asked what kind of rengotiation and I said its basically artistic scrap / parts at this point and a lot of the tooling is crashed. So, he dropped to a number that did in fact make me stay despite really wanting to just go back to the Jacksonville Zoo and wander around there with my GF and buddy. (My GF loves Manatees, but had never seen one in real life, so I made it a special thing and we swung through there first thing in the morning so she could get to see them).
I had built a roller cart to assemble under the machine and brought the kitchen sink load of my rigging gear and had even pre-cut some oak dunnage blocks on the chainsaw mill. A plan was in place, until my toe jack failed and we were left using a 5/8" travel 30 ton puck jack and stacking shim plates to pick it up. As a form of karma though, when winching the machine up the trailer, the angle caused the oil sump to overrun the base and dumped a good gallon of very stinky vintage machine oil down the guy's driveway.
Once the machine was in the shop yesterday evening, I started to dig into it some to see what actually ended up with, as well as the tooling. Theres a few decent holders and a few decent shell mills but a LOT of crashed tooling where the insert seats are just gnarled. Deciphering the sellers murmurings it appears he got it from a shop that went under so he got everything from current use tooling to the shelf of trashed stuff that they were keeping around to steal hardware out of.
As for the feed box issues, its not actually the box at all, that looks to be in great condition. The actual issue is the pinion gear head for the rack setup that drives the head up and down. Certainly something that I should be able to fix by either remachining a new gear or welding up and re-hobbing this gear itself. If not, I do know someone with a nice HAAS and I'll give him a drawing and call in a favor.
Pictures speak more words than I do, and I speak a lot of words. I'll keep this thread running as I work on the machine and get it under power. Ohh, at some point someone took apart and lost the parts for the speed and feed selector handle for the table side controls, but the controls still work at the side of the machine, it appears. Who knows until it goes under power.
Packed garage, the machine barely fit out and using a warn pulls-all to control it down the grade of the trailer deck before binding it.
The GF did help a LOT.
Before going into my place.
Bobcat to start the machine up the deck until the dove, then the Warn 10k on the trailer deck, on a snatch block setup to lower it down the runners.
As it sits, still need to remove the roller cart.
Found one on the ol' FB Marketplace back in March but the seller wanted "actual" money for it. I asked a few questions about it but then had a list of other things and expenses arise. Well, same machine shows up again in November and the price is no longer actual money and is including RPC and potentially some tooling with it.
(I had started to type out the long story of how the seller failed to inform me that the head on the machine was stuck, both in text and verbal phone conversations. Additionally he lied about reasons for the handles being removed was not for preservation during moving but rather due to having a broken drive box, and the retrieval location was significantly steeper and tighter than he described and even the photos that were sent were mixtures of where he bought it vs where it was now and hid or skewed the situation and differed than verbally described) - see photo of tiny attached garage in a tiny tight neighborhood. I was livid when I arrived to find the issues but also had prepared myself as I was getting the sketchy vibe from the situation. I told him no deal unless the price dropped because the situation I drove 600 miles to find was undeniably not what had been described and information had been withheld. He played the "I thought I told you, must have been someone else I talked to". He asked what kind of rengotiation and I said its basically artistic scrap / parts at this point and a lot of the tooling is crashed. So, he dropped to a number that did in fact make me stay despite really wanting to just go back to the Jacksonville Zoo and wander around there with my GF and buddy. (My GF loves Manatees, but had never seen one in real life, so I made it a special thing and we swung through there first thing in the morning so she could get to see them).
I had built a roller cart to assemble under the machine and brought the kitchen sink load of my rigging gear and had even pre-cut some oak dunnage blocks on the chainsaw mill. A plan was in place, until my toe jack failed and we were left using a 5/8" travel 30 ton puck jack and stacking shim plates to pick it up. As a form of karma though, when winching the machine up the trailer, the angle caused the oil sump to overrun the base and dumped a good gallon of very stinky vintage machine oil down the guy's driveway.
Once the machine was in the shop yesterday evening, I started to dig into it some to see what actually ended up with, as well as the tooling. Theres a few decent holders and a few decent shell mills but a LOT of crashed tooling where the insert seats are just gnarled. Deciphering the sellers murmurings it appears he got it from a shop that went under so he got everything from current use tooling to the shelf of trashed stuff that they were keeping around to steal hardware out of.
As for the feed box issues, its not actually the box at all, that looks to be in great condition. The actual issue is the pinion gear head for the rack setup that drives the head up and down. Certainly something that I should be able to fix by either remachining a new gear or welding up and re-hobbing this gear itself. If not, I do know someone with a nice HAAS and I'll give him a drawing and call in a favor.
Pictures speak more words than I do, and I speak a lot of words. I'll keep this thread running as I work on the machine and get it under power. Ohh, at some point someone took apart and lost the parts for the speed and feed selector handle for the table side controls, but the controls still work at the side of the machine, it appears. Who knows until it goes under power.
Packed garage, the machine barely fit out and using a warn pulls-all to control it down the grade of the trailer deck before binding it.
The GF did help a LOT.
Before going into my place.
Bobcat to start the machine up the deck until the dove, then the Warn 10k on the trailer deck, on a snatch block setup to lower it down the runners.
As it sits, still need to remove the roller cart.
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