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    Tell me your small shop regrets!

    After 14 addresses in 4 states we finally found a place to stay for a while. We bought a log home on 5 acres with an oversized attached two car and a unique but small workshop. I'm working on getting the workshop together so I can actually start building junk again.

    The garage area of the shop is about 23' x 23' with an 8'-0" ceiling. Up the small ladder in the back is a storage loft that's about 15'-0" x 23'-0". Under that loft is am open storage area and a single horse stall that'll never have a horse in it. When I bought the place it had 2 light fixtures, 3 20 amp outlets, one 240v 50 amp circuit and that's about it.

    I'm adding insulation and more recepts. I've added 6 120v 20a recepts on the walls and two more on the ceiling. The bay is getting kraft backed R13 on the three walls that don't get direct sun. The overhead door wall faces due west and bakes in the afternoon sun, on that wall I'm putting a layer of radiant barrier under kraft backed R15. The overhead door is getting a layer of radiant barrier under a layer of R-8 fiberglass "condensation blanket". The blanket appears to be the exact same insulation that they sell in the garage door kits for a lot more money. Once I get the insulation wrapped up I'll be putting up some 4x12 sheets of drywall, then R30 cellulose in the ceiling and eventually a mini split system.

    I'm hung up on a couple of things I'd like some opinions on.

    Lighting. I don't know WTF I want to do here, but I need to get the electrical sorted out in short order. I'm thinking I want to do standard flourescent 48" fixtures with good LED tubes. I'm concerned with using LED fixtures that do not have replaceable bulbs. While the LEDs can last forever the electronics that drive them do not. I'd really like to hear opinions on lighting, especially how many fixtures and opinions on different types.

    I'm also looking to hear what else you wished you did while you had open walls. Air lines? more power outlets? something else I'm not thinking of??


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    In walls
    Air,water, gas, welder portal's,coms, don't forget one of then fold up urinals.

    Lighting to the 10th power
    Right now your eyes are bright (guessing) as time goes by you need more light.
    Task lighting at stations, sectioned main lighting for just 1 spot rather than the whole shop.
    Off gass venting (welder ect.), fresh air flow venting, heat pump ducting.
    83, 22re,w56,ultimate duals,4:10 \31" arbs.
    hopes to grow up someday

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      #3
      Lighting
      https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/...d.php?t=278420

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        #4
        always more power outlets, I wish I had more 220v outlets. 220v extension cords are expensive.
        - Buck

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          #5
          Originally posted by dnsfailure View Post
          always more power outlets, I wish I had more 220v outlets. 220v extension cords are expensive.
          This, I have one 220v outlet and I had to build an extension cord for my welder to work in my 2nd bay, what a pain in the ass.
          88 Ford F-turd50 IDI Crawler

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            #6
            I wouldn't put air in the walls if you get a leak you are screwed. I would use minimum 1/2 inch for the main air feeds. Unless fixtures are free I would go full led. Impossible to have too many electric outlets.

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              #7
              When I bought my house with a 24x32 garage I added another 200a panel and surface mounted everything and I'm really glad I did. As I got more stationary tools like a lift, mill, lathe, cnc plasma, 60 gal compressor etc I was able to move or add lights, outlets and air easily. It's nice to be able to put heavy shit exactly where you want it without having to compromise because it's too dark or you don't have 220 or air nearby.

              While you've got the walls open put in an exhaust fan and self opening louver/damper or whatever they're called to get airflow when you're welding or cutting with the door closed. It made a world of difference for me when I'm running the plasma table in the winter.
              Last edited by AK_F250; 06-18-2020, 01:17 PM.

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                #8
                Originally posted by ChiScouter View Post
                I wouldn't put air in the walls if you get a leak you are screwed. I would use minimum 1/2 inch for the main air feeds. Unless fixtures are free I would go full led. Impossible to have too many electric outlets.
                Wirsbo ProPex in the walls for air, it won't leak. Think about where water could collect when planning your runs.

                Transition to copper before stubbing out through the drywall.


                "If she'll wink, she'll fuck"

                GO MINING

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                  #9
                  Piggy backing on ^^^this
                  why be scared of an air leak???
                  But not h2o???
                  Plumb with copper or iron like the last 200 years of indoor plumbing!
                  83, 22re,w56,ultimate duals,4:10 \31" arbs.
                  hopes to grow up someday

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                    #10
                    My current garage is like 19ishx21ish and I'm gonna upgrade to 22-23 square when I knock it down. I've spent a lot of time working in a 10x20 single car garage. How usable the space is depends on how efficiently you use vertical space for storage. Don't worry about electricity and air locations until you know where your work spaces are going to be.

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                      #11
                      Honestly I'm gonna go against the grain here and say forget all the air line runs with various drops and get a good (non HF) hose reel. Its 23x23... its not like you're gonna have multiple people in there running various air tools at the same time. Put it up on the ceiling close to the big door and it'll cover everything in the shop easy.

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                        Originally posted by 45acp View Post
                        Honestly I'm gonna go against the grain here and say forget all the air line runs with various drops and get a good (non HF) hose reel. Its 23x23... its not like you're gonna have multiple people in there running various air tools at the same time. Put it up on the ceiling close to the big door and it'll cover everything in the shop easy.
                        This. Also, I have found that as battery tools get better and cheaper, I tend to use the air tools less, so dumping time and money on an elaborate air system could be put to better use.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by 45acp View Post
                          Honestly I'm gonna go against the grain here and say forget all the air line runs with various drops and get a good (non HF) hose reel. Its 23x23... its not like you're gonna have multiple people in there running various air tools at the same time. Put it up on the ceiling close to the big door and it'll cover everything in the shop easy.
                          I’m largely similar with electrical outlets. I don’t have enough space to have all the work along the walls and end up in the middle mostly, so I’m constantly using an extension cord anyway. Maybe partially since the existing outlets are all 5’ up though.

                          Just did a 2-post lift into my 25x27 this week, so we shall see how it confines the space. Also adding some air lines. Mostly just getting the hose reel in the middle and a couple outlets near the doors.

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                            #14
                            It might get a little bit ugly on an otherwise nice looking house setup, but could you put a roof of some sort on the front of the garage? Like a patio roof type thing. Then you could work on taller things just outside the overhead door. You could pretty easily get 50% more "work space" that way. And it looks like your truck won't fit inside the door as-is anyway. 45acp 's hose reel will keep that area happy as well as the rest of the interior.

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                              #15
                              I've got a narrow 11'x44' basement "shop". My observation for 2+ years of using it.

                              As others said, lots of power outlets. I have 110V outlets every four feet along the "back" wall. Two segments at 20 amp each. I have one 220V outlet near the outlet plus a 50' extension cord.

                              Lights. I use the 'cheap' CostCo LED lamps. I have them every four feet. I put outlets along the power wall near the ceiling(~6" from the top) that is switched at the door.

                              Storage... especially organized. I've got 18' worth of lockers in my 'secure' room in the basement. I then have a boatload of "narrow" pallet racking(2' deep) These are similar to the ones you find in Home Depot(non-four foot) The narrow depth make it easy to find stuff. The pallet racking will hold a shit load of weight... I've had a transmission and two transfer cases on one rack in the past.

                              Work benches I'm using the narrow pallet racking as work benches. I drop 1 1/4" plywood on top of the racking. I've got three benches that are 2'x8'.

                              The 'narrow' pallet racking is actually fairly cheap when you account for the strength.

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