New Ford Duallys are 6+ months out?

CarterKraft said:
Not taking the trailers every year I would pay double... I know that's a bad ideal but damn it's really inconvenient for a sticker.
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My trailer has a tag on it from like 2020? I got it inspected under the new rules once. Had to go to three places to find one that had "the trailer guy" working that day. The next year I said **** it, and I've said it every year since.

At this point I've saved the fine of the fix it ticket many times over. Just gonna run it til I get caught.
 
Pocahontas said:
How much did you have to spend to fix an 7.3 or a 5.9 from destroying itself from emissions equipment or protecting it from bad fuel?



I’m a kiss person when it comes to the vast majority of things that can leave me stranded. I got rid of my 6.7 because towing 14-16k a few times a month it wasn’t worth it after a friend has his cp4 crap out to the tune of $20,000 while he was still under “warranty”.

A mechanical drivetrain is a lot less likely to leave you stranded in bfe because a sensor decided to stop responding.

A well tuned mechanical diesel will run right behind the newer guys, especially if you put a ten speed behind it. If you gave the entire market an option of a slightly slower but less expensive and easier to maintain option I think it would be really popular, not that it will ever happen as that’s the territory of gas engines now.

My ideal truck would be an 17-22 superduty, I like that interior better than 23 up trucks, with a p pump, ten speed and twins. Should have no problems running garbage fuel or wmo mix and I’ll have my heated and cooled seats with a truck that won’t rot back into the earth in five to ten years. That drivetrain should last an easy half a million miles, well maybe not the tranny but that’s always been the crux of the mechanical diesel world.
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I agree.

I had plans to build a bricknose cclb for a work truck for my business.

But I do like the 17-22 fords, and am thinking by now there should be plenty of them sitting on auction yards from the big contractors now that can be had cheap. Good home for a 6bt, and possibly a zf6 if I find another one.

Better image for marketing to rich folk running a late model superduty than a bricknose.

For now I have no issue towing 15k lbs with my 2nd gen shipping crate. I need to add airbags and a proportional brake controller to make it more pleasant and to not have to keep tongue weight in check.

I bid a job 55 miles away that involves hauling a cat 304 out to it, have no concerns about getting the excavator there and back with my ugly old truck.
 
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SLOWPOKE693 said:
Living in the past doesn't fix current problems, but $2400 does. I have a low milage 7.3 truck and ive spent quite a few dollars on keeping it running all these years. You couldn't pay me to daily drive that truck anymore after driving a 22 6.7 truck for the last few years. It just sits around now...

If spending a measly $2400 on a DCR conversation to save yourself $15k or more in repairs in the future is a problem, then no truck of any age is going to satisfy you.
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My point was it’s not like modern technology only makes things better, I agree with you on the creature comforts of the newer trucks though. It was mid Covid when I got rid of mine and it worked out because I got more in trade than I paid for it originally, I did a bit of googling and people had offered bypass kits but none of them were “proven”. I still think the cp4 is a dog**** design in how a small amount of fuel contamination will wipe out the entire fuel system. Not just diesels though look at all the problems caused by light weight oils, dod and lifters failing. I would rather have things way over engineered with chains and gear drive than belts and plastic **** so things last the life of a vehicle and not the life of the warranty.
 
ApeEater said:
That seems high for ‘97. I paid $33k in ‘06 for a Dodge 2500 and felt that was high then.
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Ive posted pictures of the original windows sticker before in this thread. It was 36 and change and came from the dealership I worked at with the guy who bought the truck new. Its as fully loaded as an F250 could be back in those days. Its an XLT 4x4 with power windows and locks, AC, cruise, tilt, factory bed liner, towing package ect. And its black with a red interior. :smokin:
 
And there it sits collecting dust while I enjoy the **** out of driving the gray truck......

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SLOWPOKE693 said:
Living in the past doesn't fix current problems, but $2400 does. I have a low milage 7.3 truck and ive spent quite a few dollars on keeping it running all these years. You couldn't pay me to daily drive that truck anymore after driving a 22 6.7 truck for the last few years. It just sits around now...

If spending a measly $2400 on a DCR conversation to save yourself $15k or more in repairs in the future is a problem, then no truck of any age is going to satisfy you.
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I feel the same way. I have zero desire to have my cream puff 2000 7.3 back after having my 2012 6.7 truck. In the same time span and mileage of ownership, the 6.7 has required significantly less repair and maintenance costs than the 7.3. Not to mention that it's literally worlds apart when it comes to both comfort and capability. I can only imagine how big the gulf is now on the 2017+ stuff. There's no going back.
 
Snowy said:
I feel the same way. I have zero desire to have my cream puff 2000 7.3 back after having my 2012 6.7 truck. In the same time span and mileage of ownership, the 6.7 has required significantly less repair and maintenance costs than the 7.3. Not to mention that it's literally worlds apart when it comes to both comfort and capability. I can only imagine how big the gulf is now on the 2017+ stuff. There's no going back.
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I put 200k miles on my 2019 F550 service truck with it loaded to the GVW capacity and didn't have a single issue or breakdown with just basic maintenance. The CP4 popped at like 201k miles and it cost my company almost $20k with towing and a rental. I told the owner at 100k that we should swap in a DCR pump for $2100 and he didn't want to hear it. Not my truck, not my money, not my problem. Truck went another 35k miles trouble free before some dumb bitch in a box truck hit me and totaled it. I bet he lets me put a DCR pump on the new truck after the warranty runs out without even batting an eyelash. :laughing:

On my 7.3 truck I have changed the oil pan, fuel bowl, injector wiring harnesses, a fuel tank, the tank switching valve, U joints on the rear shaft and more in the 25k miles and 10 years I have owned it. Truck only has 160k on it currently...Maybe less, I haven't driven it in a while.

Meanwhile I have been daily driving my 22 for the last 2 years, and other than a DCR pump and oil changes and fuel filters I haven't had to do anything to it or spend any money on it, and I get to drive in luxury compared to the 97 that wouldn't even be able to keep up with my 22. Totally worth the price of the newer truck in my opinion.

Edit: I lied, I spent money on emissions optimization parts recently but that was by choice and not something that needed doing.
 
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SLOWPOKE693 said:
Living in the past doesn't fix current problems, but $2400 does. I have a low milage 7.3 truck and ive spent quite a few dollars on keeping it running all these years. You couldn't pay me to daily drive that truck anymore after driving a 22 6.7 truck for the last few years. It just sits around now...

If spending a measly $2400 on a DCR conversation to save yourself $15k or more in repairs in the future is a problem, then no truck of any age is going to satisfy you.
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Three fiddy!
 
ApeEater said:
That seems high for ‘97. I paid $33k in ‘06 for a Dodge 2500 and felt that was high then.
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Not really, my 01 F350 v10 cot windowed at 36k, I think the matching diesel was 42k. I was 18, so I couldn’t afford the diesel. Think I got the v10 for 31-32k. My 06 f250 v10 lariat window was 46k.

But you are correct, anything over scrap value is too much for a dodge.
 
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CarterKraft said:
I don't get these updates, or any really that I can tell.

Code came back yesterday going to get buddies dump trailer.
Hauled 4 yards twice still going...

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Checked the def this morning before rolling out, def is good.
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Thinking about this now I recall before finally filling it with Def it was saying I had def tank range of less than 500 miles even though I had nearly a half tank which unloaded I should have had 1200+ mile range.

At the time I just thought it was "hung" at towing mph range.
I think now it was due to whatever happened with the box sensors causing it to use too much.
 
Coming back from Dallas Sunday morning I got a warning the def was contaminated and I had 50 miles to reduced power mode max speed 50mph.

Also got a message in the Ford app, at some point Sunday I drove to get tacos and that message was gone.
But the CEL was still on.

Going to have to make an appointment I guess.
 
CarterKraft said:
Coming back from Dallas Sunday morning I got a warning the def was contaminated and I had 50 miles to reduced power mode max speed 50mph.

Also got a message in the Ford app, at some point Sunday I drove to get tacos and that message was gone.
But the CEL was still on.

Going to have to make an appointment I guess.
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Should still have warranty right? The software update coming up should disable the quality sensor. Have you gotten any software updates recently?
 
Wife and I were passing by a local CJDR dealer recently (she's looking at a replacement SUV). They had a couple MegaCab dually trucks there unlocked. One was Limited and one was Long Horn trim levels. Gotta say, they're both really comfortable inside and aside from the gimmicky Yellowstone feel of the Long Horn, I could get used to one.
They were both in the $92k range and compared to the King Ranch or Limited Ford, much lower price.
Crazy they are having cam/lifter issues out of some of them much like CP4 equipped trucks can as well.
For the $$$ and client base, you would think the manufacturers would have things like that sorted out.
 
1oddtech said:
Should still have warranty right? The software update coming up should disable the quality sensor. Have you gotten any software updates recently?
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definitely should be in warranty.

I don't think I get much if any OTA software updates, that may indicate other problems, nothing else wrong with the truck though.
 
CarterKraft said:
Coming back from Dallas Sunday morning I got a warning the def was contaminated and I had 50 miles to reduced power mode max speed 50mph.

Also got a message in the Ford app, at some point Sunday I drove to get tacos and that message was gone.
But the CEL was still on.

Going to have to make an appointment I guess.
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dumb question... how the hell does DEF get contaminated? It's essentially a closed system if you're buying in the 2 gallon jugs.
 
DRTDEVL said:
That's why the law was changed to allow this sensor to be ignored... but its only going to move the problem/expenses to the SCR Efficiency sensor.
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Scr efficiency is just a controller calculation. NOX sensors don't seem to be failing and when they do they are much easier and cheaper to replace.
 
rockota said:
dumb question... how the hell does DEF get contaminated? It's essentially a closed system if you're buying in the 2 gallon jugs.
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In my line if work it's really common in a few ways.

Foreign substance added to tank, hydraulic fluid or diesel fluid being the biggest offenders.

Secondly there is "boiling" the def tank, the def heater circuit stocks on for a myriad of reasons that causes the def to overheat which evaporated the water out of the solution, that creates a concentration higher than optimal.

Third, improper storage of Def, specifically new Def.
A 2.5 gallon jug on your flat bed truck for a few months in the summer will deplete the effectiveness of the fluid.

This is the most common scenarios, nearly all are user error.
 
1oddtech said:
Scr efficiency is just a controller calculation. NOX sensors don't seem to be failing and when they do they are much easier and cheaper to replace.
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Sorry, long day at work and a total brain fart of a post. The NOX sensor is the second most problematic one in heavy trucks, and will just rear its ugly head without those quality sensors getting in the way.
 
DRTDEVL said:
Sorry, long day at work and a total brain fart of a post. The NOX sensor is the second most problematic one in heavy trucks, and will just rear its ugly head without those quality sensors getting in the way.
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CarterKraft said:
On our stuff id say the nox sensors are the most popular failures lately now that the def header failures are over.
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I guess I left the dealership too soon to see them start failing and I have not started seeing them fail on AG equipment outside of warranty yet. I'm still seeing DEF header controller failures.
 
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