Railroad bridge replacement

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From burning to full replacement in ~4 days. Freaking impressive!
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We had some crazy rain storms here last August. Like 500 year rain events. There's a big rail yard by the office and on Monday morning I couldn't get into my office because the line of dump trucks full of gravel to dump at the rail yard was blocking our driveway.

A bunch of logs and stuff got caught on the bridge, backed up the river and washed out a big section on the side. The trucks where lined up dumping rock right into the river to fix it 12 hours after it rained. No idea where all those trucks came from on that short of notice.

Meanwhile I go to the office and fight with the DNR and Army Corp for years for permits. The rail road just lines up the trucks and fixes the problem. No permits, no reviews, just fixing the problem exactly the way it should be.
 
Why the **** cant they do highways that fast? The ****ing Japs or someone with the moving bridge span have it figured out.
People tend to get upset when their roads fail as often and catastrophically as rail roads. Also you can value engineer the **** out of something when you control the speed it can be crossed and the load that can be on it.

However, to your point if it's important enough they can do a highway bridge about that fast but insanely expensive so they tend to only do it on critical infrastructure. UDOT has some good videos of doing bridges in less than a week on their Instagram.
 
Railroad pays for a team and supplies to be on standby specifically for these scenarios.
I was just gonna say, they have railroad money to throw at these problems. They burn money just to not be so badly inconvenienced the next time something happens they don't like.
 
Why the **** cant they do highways that fast? The ****ing Japs or someone with the moving bridge span have it figured out.
they can when they want to and the government gets out of the way

April 2007 the 580 connector in the Bay Area collapsed due to a truck fire
26 days to rebuild the overpass

C. C. Myers, Inc., which had completed repairs to the Santa Monica Freeway after the 1994 Northridge earthquake well ahead of schedule, submitted a winning bid of $876,075 to repair the damage to the I-580 connector. The bid was estimated to cover only one-third of the cost of the work, but the firm counted on making up the shortfall with an incentive of $200,000 per day if the work was completed before June 27, 2007.[23]


On the evening of Thursday, May 24, the I-580 connector re-opened, just before the busy Memorial Day weekend. The deadline to finish the project was beaten by over a month, with the contractor earning a $5 million bonus for early completion.[24] The entire reconstruction project was completed only 26 days after the original accident. A state projection concluded that the connector collapse had cost roughly $6 million per day in total economic impact.[25]
 
We had some crazy rain storms here last August. Like 500 year rain events. There's a big rail yard by the office and on Monday morning I couldn't get into my office because the line of dump trucks full of gravel to dump at the rail yard was blocking our driveway.

A bunch of logs and stuff got caught on the bridge, backed up the river and washed out a big section on the side. The trucks where lined up dumping rock right into the river to fix it 12 hours after it rained. No idea where all those trucks came from on that short of notice.

Meanwhile I go to the office and fight with the DNR and Army Corp for years for permits. The rail road just lines up the trucks and fixes the problem. No permits, no reviews, just fixing the problem exactly the way it should be.
It was that way in the Black Mountain area of North Carolina after the hurricane. Bunch of good old boys got in their equipment and built new roads. FEMA asked them to stop and get permits. They were promptly told to **** off.
 
They also seem to have a stock design bridge. Every highway bridge appears to be a new design each time with nothing typical.
Pretty much everything private is stock, basically out of a handbook for bridges, with enough **** just laying around to rebuild the whole thing. Public projects like that are obsolete/illegal before the project is complete.
 
Why the **** cant they do highways that fast? The ****ing Japs or someone with the moving bridge span have it figured out.

Thailands freeway projects are like this, not 4 day fast but lightyears faster than in the States and very good quality. We have a big project going on here and its awesome to watch.

After the Loma Prieta quake, they suspended/ignored tons of regulatory requirements and got **** done
 
Fixed it for you.
Seeing this form the inside, the corruption is at the elected level. Anyone that's working a job it's unpossible to be corrupt. Lazy, feckless, and almost unfireable sure. Corruption, I don't know how you could do it, and I've had jobs where I was the one paying the contractor for their work.


Also the elected level is the only way to get things done. King County was being bitchy about opening up the new Tiger Mountain parking lot. I gave people the links to contact their state and federal representatives, encouraged my riding group to contact them and spammed all of mine and followed up with them. Miraculously, the lot went from an indefinite opening date to opening up within a month of starting the complaints.
 
We had some crazy rain storms here last August. Like 500 year rain events. There's a big rail yard by the office and on Monday morning I couldn't get into my office because the line of dump trucks full of gravel to dump at the rail yard was blocking our driveway.

A bunch of logs and stuff got caught on the bridge, backed up the river and washed out a big section on the side. The trucks where lined up dumping rock right into the river to fix it 12 hours after it rained. No idea where all those trucks came from on that short of notice.

Meanwhile I go to the office and fight with the DNR and Army Corp for years for permits. The rail road just lines up the trucks and fixes the problem. No permits, no reviews, just fixing the problem exactly the way it should be.
It's a shame railroads are too stogy to monetize this. They could make money hand over fist by buying (or taking some sort of lease with a highly specific contract) and developing land with none of that bull**** and then selling it. I abut a railroad. I'd much rather enrich CSX than some local pieces of **** who are in bed with the local government.
 
The only thing they did was get the **** out of the way and let the the contractor work.
I'm surprised the contractor was capable of moving that fast. Companies beholden to other people's bull**** timetables tend to eventually only be capable of working on those timetables because there's no point in being able to go much faster.
 
Public projects like that are obsolete/illegal before the project is complete.
Because continually updating standards are a make work project for all parties involved.

If the standards stay the same for too long someone out of state, in China, or otherwise not supporting that jurisdiction's street gang will come up with a shippable solution that meets the standards much more cheaply and cuts out half the parties that support the gang and we can't have that.
 
Because continually updating standards are a make work project for all parties involved.

Adam Carolla has some good coverage of the California wild fire aftermath. Malibu beach houses that were all built on pile driven wood piers 50+ years ago now need some crazy engineered multimillion dollar concrete foundations. There's been zero rebuilding since being burnt down because of this.
 
Adam Carolla has some good coverage of the California wild fire aftermath. Malibu beach houses that were all built on pile driven wood piers 50+ years ago now need some crazy engineered multimillion dollar concrete foundations. There's been zero rebuilding since being burnt down because of this.
Some enterprising local pile jetter who's near retirement without much future business to lose should just start throwing piles in with no ****s given and see if they can wind up in "real big boy court" (i.e. not the local permitting kangaroo court) over it. With the local population probably mostly in favor of **** the rules and rebuilding it might get you a favorable precedent.

These pieces of **** with licenses have no problem designing things to performance based on local conditions without specifying exact sizes of specs. Yet a less equal animal can't take a clear proven decades long service history and use that as evidence that the design is sufficient.
 
Some enterprising local pile jetter who's near retirement without much future business to lose should just start throwing piles in with no ****s given and see if they can wind up in "real big boy court" (i.e. not the local permitting kangaroo court) over it. With the local population probably mostly in favor of **** the rules and rebuilding it might get you a favorable precedent.

These pieces of **** with licenses have no problem designing things to performance based on local conditions without specifying exact sizes of specs. Yet a less equal animal can't take a clear proven decades long service history and use that as evidence that the design is sufficient.

but but govt is here to protect the interests of the public. IBC and IRC are just full of cozy hugs to keep future owners safe from unintended consequences, even if extremely low occurrance risk.
 
Some enterprising local pile jetter who's near retirement without much future business to lose should just start throwing piles in with no ****s given and see if they can wind up in "real big boy court" (i.e. not the local permitting kangaroo court) over it. With the local population probably mostly in favor of **** the rules and rebuilding it might get you a favorable precedent.

These pieces of **** with licenses have no problem designing things to performance based on local conditions without specifying exact sizes of specs. Yet a less equal animal can't take a clear proven decades long service history and use that as evidence that the design is sufficient.
union strong pile butts local 736
no can do
you're putting the lives of trillions at risk unless you give me more money for israel
 
Brother works for BNSF. Can confirm that the RR doesn’t **** around when **** is broken. The party that shows up to a derailment is nuts.....
One of my customers has a gigantic forklift I've never seen then use but gets a PM every few months. I asked them why they have it and why they spend money to keep up on it. It exists solely to pick up wrecked rail cars. The have a contract and get paid a ton of money so if the day ever comes they will be there ASAP.
 
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