Anyone in or near Indianapolis? Ashke is stuck there with a badly broken vehicle

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Did you try your hand at forklift at one point? As I recall that did not go well 😅
No I did very good. I did forklift at Lowes. At a different gig with one one of other weird standing forklifts, not like the ones at Macy's that use guided tracks, the ones where you lean back into th cushion deal, and my first time on it I bumped a rack.
 
:lmao: the CDL is not a bad idea at all. I don't desire to be on the road and constantly never home either.

Lotta folks home every night. Lotta places just require you to have one, doesnt necessarily mean you'll be in a truck every day. But like I said, even as just a fall back plan, It wouldnt be a bad thing to have
 
I remember why I stopped posting in the last thread.

You are too lazy and stupid to actually take responsibility for yourself and your decisions. Everything is someone else's fault, or misunderstanding, or failure to spoon feed you information.

And take your bull**** about pay elsewhere.

2026 Monthly Income Breakdown (Estimated) (camp pendleton was the reference)
  • Basic Pay (E-4 over 3): $3,482.40
  • Basic Allowance for Subsistence (BAS): $476.95
  • Total Monthly Pay: $3,959.35 [1, 2]
That works out to 24.75 per hour... so you are taking a pay cut up front and dismissing it.

And you are gonna have to pay health insurance, rent, utilities out of that, then add food and baby 'stuff'.

Here is how that really pencil's out - and it is a calculation you should have made prior to getting out:


To maintain the exact same standard of living in West Virginia as a civilian, you would need a gross civilian salary of approximately $84,000 to $89,000 per year.

43.75/hour
Even though you are living on base at Camp Pendleton and don't see a monthly housing check, your housing benefit is a massive tax-free perk pegged to one of the most expensive ZIP codes in America. When calculating your Regular Military Compensation (RMC)—the actual financial footprint you leave—you must factor in the "phantom value" of that Southern California housing alongside tax advantages and health care. [1, 2]
The Regular Military Compensation (RMC) Math
The military packages your compensation using tax-free allowances. To replace this as a civilian, a regular company has to pay you enough taxable money so that your take-home pay matches what the military gives you for free. [1, 2, 3]

Pay Component [1, 2, 3]Monthly ValueAnnualized ValueNotes
Basic Pay (E-4 > 3)$3,482.40$41,788.80Fully taxable income.
BAS (Food)$476.95$5,723.40100% Tax-Free.
On-Base Housing Value$3,627.00$43,524.00Equal to Camp Pendleton BAH for E-4 with dependents. 100% Tax-Free.
Healthcare (Tricare Prime)$650.00$7,800.00Estimated cost of a civilian family health plan premium + out-of-pocket maximums.
Total Military Footprint$8,236.35$98,836.20Your total annual compensation value.
Adjusting for West Virginia
While your military footprint is worth nearly $99,000 in Southern California, West Virginia has a lower cost of living and different tax rates.

  1. The Tax Advantage ($6,000 - $8,000 value): Because roughly $49,000 of your military compensation (Housing + BAS) is hidden from the IRS and state tax boards, you pay significantly less tax than a civilian earning the same total amount. A civilian in West Virginia has to pay a 4.5% to 5.5% state income tax plus federal brackets on every single dollar they make to pay for their house and food.
  2. Cost of Living Adjustment: West Virginia's cost of living is roughly 15% to 20% lower than the national average, and vastly cheaper than Oceanside/San Diego. A civilian salary of $84,000 - $89,000 in West Virginia will buy you the exact same size house, lifestyle, and savings capability as your E-4 setup on base at Camp Pendleton. [1, 2, 3, 4]
If you are looking to transition or compare career paths, let me know:
  • What civilian career field are you considering?
  • Do you plan to rent or buy a home in West Virginia?
  • Will your spouse be working or contributing to the household income?

And you want us to believe that you are gonna be successful with your hopes.

peace out.
This is a great numbers breakdown. I like numbers as a visual.
 
Lotta folks home every night. Lotta places just require you to have one, doesnt necessarily mean you'll be in a truck every day. But like I said, even as just a fall back plan, It wouldnt be a bad thing to have
I agree. It's not a bad idea. I'm not going to go back to SoCal to do it though.
 
Not for a 3 bedroom house with some property, it's not.
First off; you don't get your dreamhouse 3 years into your career.

aside from which there plenty of sub $150k options with 3 br on 1/2 ac plus to choose from in the area;
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And you're poo poohing it; but you're making the same base pay with a BAH of $0 now, so how is that an improvement?
 
First off; you don't get your dreamhouse 3 years into your career.

aside from which there plenty of sub $150k options with 3 br on 1/2 ac plus to choose from in the area;
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I've seen a couple of those. They have to fit the bill for VAl oan too. Typically if they need TLC, VA says **** no.

Or, I could get the house we want reasonably suitable for our intentions off the bat so that we don't have to move again. It's not your ****ing money ******.
 
First off; you don't get your dreamhouse 3 years into your career.

aside from which there plenty of sub $150k options with 3 br on 1/2 ac plus to choose from in the area;
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And you're poo poohing it; but you're making the same base pay with a BAH of $0 now, so how is that an improvement?
Are you chipping in? Is this a McBallGargle Family and WTF? house? You're going to shovel **** with me on my property are you? Pay some of the electric?
 
I agree. It's not a bad idea. I'm not going to go back to SoCal to do it though.

I'd look into how long it would take before you shoot it down. Unless I read things wrong, there was a hell of an offer tossed out there...

Talking with a guy the other day that drives. Said he's just over $7k/month take home. Not top dollar, but a guy could do a lot worse.
 
I don't have any desire to come back to SoCal. I value my guns, my vehicles, etc. My f350 was 732 dollars for one year of registration. Holy fawk. It's 60 bucks here.

You dont need t9 move bro. Come open a bank acct, get your permit, get your cdl, then transfer it back to your home state. You could be back home in 3 weeks and I wouldnt charge you a dime.

You could also be local. Youre white so that gets priority. Crane operator, fuel hauling, equipment, you name it.

Anyway, just saying you dont need to move, could get your cdl and jam out.
 
They have to fit the bill for VAl oan too. Typically if they need TLC, VA says **** no.
You just learned about mortgages 3 weeks ago, i've been working in real estate finance for 20 yrs; I know very well what FHA/VA loans require.

Or, I could get the house we want reasonably suitable for our intentions off the bat so that we don't have to move again. It's not your ****ing money ******.
Assuming $0 other debt (not a dime on your CC every day opf the month), you don't have enough income to qualify for a mortgage exceeding the WV BAH amounts which you say is not enough.



Are you chipping in? Is this a McBallGargle Family and WTF? house? You're going to shovel **** with me on my property are you? Pay some of the electric?
I'm not here to stomp on your dreams, but i know you never had anyone to actually teach you much about finances so trying to get you pointed in the right direction.

I'm just pointing out that It sounds to me like you're burning time and energy daydreaming about buying a house you can't qualify to buy in any event instead of getting a plan together to go get some marketable job skills and certs to get you to a point you will be able to.


You saying you're making the same as you were before, but you're effectively making $1.4k/mo less when BAH benefits you were getting in CA are adjusted for WV Cost of living.
 
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I've seen a couple of those. They have to fit the bill for VAl oan too. Typically if they need TLC, VA says **** no.

Or, I could get the house we want reasonably suitable for our intentions off the bat so that we don't have to move again. It's not your ing money **.
I've done 3 VA loans, never had anything remotely close to what's stated above.

But they are right on your ideal house in year 3. It's a slow build. Trying to do it fast just gets you in trouble. Hardly ever a time in life your not going to have to settle for a slow grind.
 
You just learned about mortgages 3 weeks ago, i've been working in real estate finance for 20 yrs; I know very well what FHA/VA loans require.


Assuming $0 other debt (not a dime on your CC every day opf the month), you don't have enough income to qualify for a mortgage exceeding the WV BAH amounts which you say is not enough.




I'm just pointing out that It sounds to me like you're burning time and energy daydreaming about buying a house you can't qualify to buy in any event instead of getting a plan together to go get some marketable job skills and certs to get you to a point you will be able to.


You saying you're making the same as you were before, but you're effectively making $1.4k/mo less when BAH benefits you were getting in CA are adjusted for WV Cost of living.
I did not your game, WTF? I'll take your word for it.

I do not have debt, though. I don't even have a credit card really. My grandmother opened one up in my name years ago. So I have a credit score of 803, so I go that going for me, which is nice. I have a pre-approval already, I have funds for a down payment, in addition to the WV Welcome Home grant for veterans.
 
I'm just pointing out that It sounds to me like you're burning time and energy daydreaming about buying a house you can't qualify to buy in any event instead of getting a plan together to go get some marketable job skills and certs to get you to a point you will be able to.
I am trying to get marketable skills as well. But I still have to work and put food on the table and such. I'll do courses and such when I can.
 
I am trying to get marketable skills as well. But I still have to work and put food on the table and such. I'll do courses and such when I can.
This is the very reason why my jeep took a back burner for most of 10 years. If you are truly hustling for improvement at this time of your life... you wont have time for that stuff. I didnt even have a kid at the time.
 
Richmond... no... just no :laughing:

Can I get a link to those readily available 100-150k jobs please.
:lmao:

There’s 20 on this page in that range, not saying they are entry level positions but they are in government. Generally private industry pay is higher. If you get your foot in the door in government, are not a total moron, and stick around 3-5 years, you will be moving your way up the ladder quickly.

 
I did not your game, WTF? I'll take your word for it.

I do not have debt, though. I don't even have a credit card really. My grandmother opened one up in my name years ago. So I have a credit score of 803, so I go that going for me, which is nice. I have a pre-approval already, I have funds for a down payment, in addition to the WV Welcome Home grant for veterans.
VA Loans do not require down payment, if you didn't know.
 
There’s 20 on this page in that range, not saying they are entry level positions but they are in government. Generally private industry pay is higher. If you get your foot in the door in government, are not a total moron, and stick around 3-5 years, you will be moving your way up the ladder quickly.

I would look at .gov jobs unless your going to invest for 20 yrs+. Depending on the agency the only real plus is the health care and long term plans. Otherwise the trade markey is pretty hot right now.
 
I did not your game, WTF? I'll take your word for it.

I do not have debt, though. I don't even have a credit card really. My grandmother opened one up in my name years ago. So I have a credit score of 803,
This sounds like it could be problematic, because if you don't have any history of actively having and using accounts ( referred to as 'open/active tradelines') that can be an issue.

If the mortgage guy just did whats known as a soft pull that gets you just the score number and not the full accounts and payment details, then that could wind up killing the loan.

I have a pre-approval already,
Is it ***led as a "pre-approval" or a "pre-qualification" the specifics matter?
I have funds for a down payment, in addition to the WV Welcome Home grant for veterans.
cool, so that grant will cover your 3% down payment, are you planning to put more down?
 
I would look at .gov jobs unless your going to invest for 20 yrs+. Depending on the agency the only real plus is the health care and long term plans. Otherwise the trade markey is pretty hot right now.
Absolutely NOT. **** government work. The healthcare and long term plans are ****. The Boomers ****ed everyone and now government jobs have **** pay with not much retirement and you don't keep a ****ing god damn anything. **** no.
 
This sounds like it could be problematic, because if you don't have any history of actively having and using accounts ( referred to as 'open/active tradelines') that can be an issue.

If the mortgage guy just did whats known as a soft pull that gets you just the score number and not the full accounts and payment details, then that could wind up killing the loan.


Is it ***led as a "pre-approval" or a "pre-qualification" the specifics matter?

cool, so that grant will cover your 3% down payment, are you planning to put more down?
He can do a VA loan requiring ZERO money down. For the rest of his life.
 
This sounds like it could be problematic, because if you don't have any history of actively having and using accounts ( referred to as 'open/active tradelines') that can be an issue.

If the mortgage guy just did whats known as a soft pull that gets you just the score number and not the full accounts and payment details, then that could wind up killing the loan.


Is it ***led as a "pre-approval" or a "pre-qualification" the specifics matter?

cool, so that grant will cover your 3% down payment, are you planning to put more down?
Pre-approval. I do plan on putting down more. I know that with a VA loan I do not have to. But the more I put down the less the mortgage is, and since it's a VA loan, don't need to pay mortgage insurance, either. I could just put down nothing, though.
 
I did not your game, WTF? I'll take your word for it.

I do not have debt, though. I don't even have a credit card really. My grandmother opened one up in my name years ago. So I have a credit score of 803, so I go that going for me, which is nice. I have a pre-approval already, I have funds for a down payment, in addition to the WV Welcome Home grant for veterans.
The West Virginia Welcome Home Grand program is for veterans living outside of West Virginia moving TO West Virginia. It doesn't sound like it is for people currently living in West Virginia to buy a home in West Virginia.
 
Absolutely NOT. ** government work. The healthcare and long term plans are **. The Boomers *ed everyone and now government jobs have * pay with not much retirement and you don't keep a *ing god damn anything. * no.
okay :laughing: Co-worker pays ~485 bucks for Healthcare coverage for a family of 4. And if she's here 20yrs it's locked for life at that cost.
 
The West Virginia Welcome Home Grand program is for veterans living outside of West Virginia moving TO West Virginia. It doesn't sound like it is for people currently living in West Virginia to buy a home in West Virginia.
Lived in California for 4 years... Therefore.... I'm fine.
 
Pre-approval. I do plan on putting down more. I know that with a VA loan I do not have to. But the more I put down the less the mortgage is, and since it's a VA loan, don't need to pay mortgage insurance, either. I could just put down nothing, though.
yeah with your income situation its probably best to put as little down as possible and keep that money in savings account in case money gets tight; every $1k down you keep in your pocket can pay the $5 higher monthly payment for 15 yrs.

you can always pay down more and request a payment adjustment down the road when money comes in, but you can't just get that extra money back.

( you also lose that much less if/when **** goes off the rails and need to walk away let it go to foreclosure so you can move somewhere with a viable job market.)

One thing you might not be prepared for is the Gas/electric bill to heat a house because SD climate is so damn mild, and those prices have skyrocketed since the last time you were not housed in barracks/a base.
 
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This sounds like it could be problematic, because if you don't have any history of actively having and using accounts ( referred to as 'open/active tradelines') that can be an issue.

If the mortgage guy just did whats known as a soft pull that gets you just the score number and not the full accounts and payment details, then that could wind up killing the loan.


Is it ***led as a "pre-approval" or a "pre-qualification" the specifics matter?

cool, so that grant will cover your 3% down payment, are you planning to put more down?
Some of the down payment program's have rules and stuff.

Oklahoma has a down payment thing that seemed real attractive, ultimately it came with a fee and rate that made it not competitive to VA.

Not sure about the WV stuff, but it's worth looking at closely and not getting emotionally tied to any sort of specific thing.
 
yeah with your income situation its probably best to put as little down as possible and keep that money in savings account in case money gets tight;

One thing you might not be prepared for is the Gas/electric bill to heat a house because SD climate is so damn mild, and those prices have skyrocketed since the last time you were not housed in barracks/a base.
Oh, no. I know it. They ****ing ratcheted up my electric bill for my wife's property in PA. Bull****.
 
Pre-approval. I do plan on putting down more. I know that with a VA loan I do not have to. But the more I put down the less the mortgage is, and since it's a VA loan, don't need to pay mortgage insurance, either. I could just put down nothing, though.
VA funding fee works on a sliding scale, unless you are a disabled veteran. Not sure if you ended up with a rating or not. More down = lower fee. But also free cash makes moves and any house repairs easier, or buy down the interest rate if you want

And yes, you can buy houses that are in need of work with the VA program, but it is more effort.
 
Oh, no. I know it. They ****ing ratcheted up my electric bill for my wife's property in PA. Bull****.
This brings up another point which is you should be requesting the owner's last 12 month utility bill history on any house you are making an offer on.
 
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