2019 Ariel Atom 3S turned into a 1970 FiberFab Aztec with special sauce.

Super beetles are the same design as a 5.0 mustang. McPherson strut.
MacPherson struts are for cheap commuter cars, not a performance suspension. Camber change = body roll. To make it handle the springs and anti-roll bar need to be very stiff to resist body roll, and put in a lot of caster so it gains camber on the outside wheel when turned.

Long double A arms is the way for any performance road car.
 
I believe the Atom had dual wishbone front and rear

Open a Speedway catalog, as RRToys says, start with the spindle (or desired wheel bolt pattern), and work inboard.

Why try to reinvent something when you could copy existing Atom designs?

Post pics of front end and where they cut the chassis. Ahead of the front "bulkhead"?
 
Will Ariel sell you their bits reasonably?

This is an option, do go on?
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Wisconsinite
Did you contact the guy I sent you?
Yeah, never responded.

It comes with pretty much ALL the parts.

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Basically, it is the parts to a $120K atom without the chassis. Story is his BIL crashed it and they were going to build something cool and never got around to it. I talked to Ariel and they won't sell just a chassis. The parts would have to go to them, and they would have to build it out. Anywhere between 30-50k. It comes with a clean ***le, so I thought making a street legal ripper would be a cool project.
 
I talked to Ariel and they won't sell just a chassis. The parts would have to go to them, and they would have to build it out. Anywhere between 30-50k.
Wonder if you could talk a guy who owns a non-crashed Ariel into letting you 3D scan his car. Maybe woo him with a romantic dinner or something?
Anyhow, after 3D scanning you could reproduce (the chassis, or otherwise)....
 
MacPherson struts are for cheap commuter cars, not a performance suspension. Camber change = body roll. To make it handle the springs and anti-roll bar need to be very stiff to resist body roll, and put in a lot of caster so it gains camber on the outside wheel when turned.

Long double A arms is the way for any performance road car.
Yes…. Never said anything about being a good choice for the op.

Side note. I hade a 73 super with a b18c1 in it. It would regularly take down corvettes, Porsches and other performance cars at thunder hill in Cali.
 
Wonder if you could talk a guy who owns a non-crashed Ariel into letting you 3D scan his car. Maybe woo him with a romantic dinner or something?
Anyhow, after 3D scanning you could reproduce (the chassis, or otherwise)....
I have thought about that. I really just need/want the front suspension mounting points. The rear suspension is in tact and good, but the front is missing. If I could figure out the front, I could just connect the dots. I don't have the ability to roll tubing like the factory chassis, but I can bend up to 2.25".
 
MacPherson struts are for cheap commuter cars, not a performance suspension. Camber change = body roll. To make it handle the springs and anti-roll bar need to be very stiff to resist body roll, and put in a lot of caster so it gains camber on the outside wheel when turned.

Long double A arms is the way for any performance road car.
Dang you’re breaking my heart, using 2010 Camaro front stub under a truck and wanted it to corner well 🤷
 
There is an Ariel owners' club forum. join them and see what kind of new friends you can make.
You could do the 3D scanning, then use 'normal' non-rolled toobz to build everything once you know the points.
 
There is an Ariel owners' club forum. join them and see what kind of new friends you can make.
You could do the 3D scanning, then use 'normal' non-rolled toobz to build everything once you know the points.
That is kinda what I am thinking would be the ideal plan. I have a few design ideas I would like to incorporate into the build. A roll cage and windshield frame for starters. I would hate to eat a deer at 55 mph.
 
Cars have always seemed pretty easy to me. I mean they don't have 14" of travel, a front drive system turning huge tires to 50deg, heck does this thing even have power steering? There is a ton of information out there on sporty car track style setups, not to mention that any book or resource written on the subject of suspension design only really covers race car stuff, not offroad race car things. Information on suspension design for offroad stuff is relatively recent and much harder to find. Cars are light and low, with half the drivetrain. I'd say jump in and get creative, do a bit of research and have some fun.
 
That is kinda what I am thinking would be the ideal plan. I have a few design ideas I would like to incorporate into the build. A roll cage and windshield frame for starters. I would hate to eat a deer at 55 mph.

Wouldn't be a problem if you were driving that bad ass Jeep around instead of a gokart. :flipoff2:
 
Just to be clear, you're asking about FRONT IFS (independent FRONT suspension), not any other IFS (independent FRONT suspension)? :lmao:

Personally, sounds like part out time.
 
I mean a tube fox body k member and coilovers would be quick and dirty. Probably close to the right width or you could use race car a arms and build mounting points. Kinda depends on how much effort vs money a guy wanted to through at it. Or there's the old tried and true mustang 2 front end kits if you didn't want to build from scratch.
 
2100 hours...... I am over the big long multi year projects for right now. If I end up doing this, I it'll be down and dirty.
 
Yeah, never responded.

It comes with pretty much ALL the parts.


Basically, it is the parts to a $120K atom without the chassis. Story is his BIL crashed it and they were going to build something cool and never got around to it. I talked to Ariel and they won't sell just a chassis. The parts would have to go to them, and they would have to build it out. Anywhere between 30-50k. It comes with a clean ***le, so I thought making a street legal ripper would be a cool project.

Well if you believe the BIL story, you probably also believe he paid $120K

Damn these POS are spendy

I remember when they were sub $30 new with the the supercharged motor

This is the bible of suspension design

Race Car Vehicle dynamics

Get cracking, I have been reading this book for 25 years, I think I understand about 25%. Miliken senior was a genius, RIP sir.
 
There is an Ariel owners' club forum. join them and see what kind of new friends you can make.
You could do the 3D scanning, then use 'normal' non-rolled toobz to build everything once you know the points.
my thought was to get it in a cad model than contract with someone that has a fancy cnc bender and just make all new pieces just like factory and then slug weld them to the damaged frame.

Well if you believe the BIL story, you probably also believe he paid $120K

Damn these POS are spendy

I remember when they were sub $30 new with the the supercharged motor

This is the bible of suspension design

Race Car Vehicle dynamics

Get cracking, I have been reading this book for 25 years, I think I understand about 25%. Miliken senior was a genius, RIP sir.

I didn't check ALL the options and got to 118 pretty easily.


Ariel Atom 4 $83,750.00
Performance Package $8,495.00
Brake Upgrade - 2-Piece Rotors $1,395.00
Suspension Upgrade - JRi Double Adjustable $2,595.00
Quick Release Steering Wheel $495.00
HANS Specific 6-Point Harness (Full Set) $995.00
Custom Color Chassis - Powder Coated $2,095.00
Select Body Color: Fuji White$3,195.00
Carbon Package - Exterior $4,995.00
Track Package - Stage 2 $6,995.00
Removable Full Roll-Over Bar $1,195.00
Battery Master Switch - FIA Approved Master Switch $395.00
Fitted Car Cover - Outdoor $735.00
Reversing Camera System $595.00
Passenger Footrest $315.00
Subtotal:$118,240.00
Amount Due: $118,240.00
 
And for $120k or whatever those cost, I sure as **** wouldn't be spending it on that thing. That's used Ferrari or Porsche money if you shop around. A roof, heat and A/C would be nice for that kind of coin. :laughing:
yeah, but if you just want the absolute fastest thing on the track....

agreed that it's awfully spendy for a toy. Can probably go just as fast on a bike for 1/5 the cost.
 
This is what I did. C7 Corvette cradle. Cheap, forged double A arms. Great brakes.

Would be easy to narrow.
 

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Given the 4 stud hubs, looks Miata -ish.
 
It's a unibody car with struts and no upper A arms. How's that work? :confused:
The Camaro has two sub frames that carry the entire suspension.

I did 2010 Camaro IRS in a few earlier unibody cars. Easy Peasy. The subframe carries the entire "multi link".
 

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The Camaro has two sub frames that carry the entire suspension.

I did 2010 Camaro IRS in a few earlier unibody cars. Easy Peasy. The subframe carries the entire "multi link".

Wrong. This is 2010 Camaro front suspension. He said nothing about the rear suspension in the post I quoted.

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