Hypertherm Powermax sync 85

72Pstroke

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Is anyone running one on a table? I am about to buy one, but wanted to see what the popular opinion is on them.
How is consumable cost compared to conventional tip and nozzles?
Any things you like or don't like?
 
I have one on a table. Don’t have much time on it yet. Cuts nice.

Cut two of these punch plates on one set of consumables.

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Don't have one, If I could afford one id definitely get one.

I bought the chi-na Hynade 80amp, for the $600 it cost with a $150 machine torch id definitely don't again but if I neeeded to get to work making money I wouldn't hesitate to get the flag ship.
 
I got one
the only thing I would do different is went bigger knowing now that I have 3-ph. but the 85 is as big as you can go on 1-ph
running all the proper setting and refrigerated air. @45A .25 I can get 6Hrs of arc-on time on a tip/electrode
not as much as you go up in amperage
also, set it by the book and send it

would recommend.
Note: I believe these are built to order so keep that in mind

Edit: I have the PM85, not the Sync
 
I run a PM85 not the sync version but I have helped a couple people setup or troubleshoot tables after installing the sync units.

I'm still up in the air on the new all in one cartridge idea instead of the old style. There are features of the new style that are nice.

One thing no-one seems to talk about is the new style has a completely different cut height recommended settings. IIrc .120" vs .060" on the old style, (fine cut may be different) Make sure your machine is set for it but they catch a lot less on pierce slag or material warping.
 
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The shop just upgraded a PM45 to the Sync torch. The shop monkeys destroyed the previous torch, so I have mixed feelings about the Sync cartridges and whether that'll be better or worse. I haven't had a chance to use it yet.
 
Thanks for all the input.
Just this morning Multi Cam (the maker of the table) sent the cut chart that tells the controller all the parameters, and it looks like they are for the PM85. I will have to go through them and modify the chart before I load it into the controller. It looks like torch height and arc voltage are different.
Once the cut tables are installed in the controller, I select the material and amperage out of the material library, and the controller changes all the parameters to match.
Panzer, that looks like nearly 1,000 pierces on the punch plates. I would say that is pretty good life out of a set of consumables.
Someguy, I am limited to single phase, unfortunately. If I had 3 phase here, I would be looking at high def plasma.
 
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tac1 said:
One thing no-one seems to talk about is the new style has a completely different cut height recommended settings. IIrc .120" vs .060" on the old style, (fine cut may be different) Make sure your machine is set for it but they catch a lot less on pierce slag or material warping.
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That's pretty cool. The slag piles on thicker plate are a pain in my ass. You can program around it only so much. Double the cut height has to make a big difference.

What do the arc voltages look like? Im curious if it's actually got a longer arc length or if it's just a nozzle/shield difference.
 
Dethmachinefab said:
That's pretty cool. The slag piles on thicker plate are a pain in my ass. You can program around it only so much. Double the cut height has to make a big difference.

What do the arc voltages look like? Im curious if it's actually got a longer arc length or if it's just a nozzle/shield difference.
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Voltages are about the same from what I remember
 
Dethmachinefab said:
That's pretty cool. The slag piles on thicker plate are a pain in my ass. You can program around it only so much. Double the cut height has to make a big difference.

What do the arc voltages look like? Im curious if it's actually got a longer arc length or if it's just a nozzle/shield difference.
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Are you talking about where your lead in/lead out cross? I have trouble with that when cutting thicker plate. The torch dives down when it crosses the lead in, and sometimes will knock off the magnetic torch mount.

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Voltages are about the same from what I remember
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There is quite a bit of difference.
This is the cut chart for the Powermax 85 non-Sync version:
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This is the cut chart for the Sync version:

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Both are the cut charts for 85A shielded, mild steel.
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So it does have a longer arc, interesting.


I mostly run into problems with smaller holes on thicker plate, where there isn't enough room for a nice lead in/out and that slag pile is in the way.
 
I screwed up and posted the wrong cut chart for the Sync. Here is the right one.
I edited the post above, it is now correct.
The first one was for stainless.:homer:
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72Pstroke said:
Are you talking about where your lead in/lead out cross? I have trouble with that when cutting thicker plate. The torch dives down when it crosses the lead in, and sometimes will knock off the magnetic torch mount.




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For thick plate, I kill the voltage input for the height control. I have found that you get a better result (my machine anyway) and it isn't as much of a headache with one less moving part
you can cross as many cuts as you want, it will not know

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keep your pierce/cut height settings the same
 
PAToyota said:
The shop just upgraded a PM45 to the Sync torch. The shop monkeys destroyed the previous torch, so I have mixed feelings about the Sync cartridges and whether that'll be better or worse. I haven't had a chance to use it yet.
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Can you run the newer style torch on the pre sync models? I have a PM85 but no table yet. I want to buy a machine torch for it first then the table.

One of my buddies that runs his own fab shop business runs a machine head torch on his PM85 plasma table. He runs into cutting .75~1” material and runs through consumables on those jobs.

He’s experimented cutting the thick material using a propane/oxygen torch on his table. So far, he said it cuts way faster and cleaner than the plasma does. He’s working on setting it up with a solenoid activated switch for the oxygen booster at start of cut. Also using a mag drill and drilling out pierce start of cut holes. This helps the torch cutting process a lot.
 
Landslide said:
Can you run the newer style torch on the pre sync models? I have a PM85 but no table yet. I want to buy a machine torch for it first then the table.
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Yes, they make an adapter for the old pre sync torches, obviously the autoset stuff doesn't work but you get the ability to run at higher cut heights as mentioned above.

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Another cool thing about the sync. You can get the data from the consumables with your phone.

The plastic doohicky. It must amplify or concentrate the signal. All it is a piece of plastic.
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Insert it into the cartridge.

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Wavy it behind your phone with the hypertherm app open. And bingo

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This was the tip I used to cut those two punch plates. Will be interesting to see the data when it starts to fail.

Dethmachinefab yes it cuts noticeably higher than the old stuff. That in itself is a god send for thicker plate.
 
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Can you run the newer style torch on the pre sync models?
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They got the whole hand torch assembly, but I had seen that you can get the adapter tac1 mentions to just put the consumables in the "old" torch.

I'm waiting to see how the cartridge system works out for them. The guys in the shop tend to abuse stuff (hence having to replace the torch). If they're fawking up cartridges right and left that is going to be expensive compared to just replacing electrodes and nozzles.
 
Landslide said:
Can you run the newer style torch on the pre sync models? I have a PM85 but no table yet. I want to buy a machine torch for it first then the table.

One of my buddies that runs his own fab shop business runs a machine head torch on his PM85 plasma table. He runs into cutting .75~1” material and runs through consumables on those jobs.

He’s experimented cutting the thick material using a propane/oxygen torch on his table. So far, he said it cuts way faster and cleaner than the plasma does. He’s working on setting it up with a solenoid activated switch for the oxygen booster at start of cut. Also using a mag drill and drilling out pierce start of cut holes. This helps the torch cutting process a lot.
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I cut thick (1")+
I do it about the same way you described. I dont think you gain any time pre drilling. I have just learned to send it
Once you do this for a but, you can make your own 'tooling' for pennys. I use a mechanical oxy that lives right next to the plasma on the same casset. You just tell the table that you are working from a different spot

On the thinner plate I can get a full 6 hours (arc on) time out of consumables. When the amperage goes up, the electrode life goes down.
 
I think my question is misunderstood. I know there’s an adaptor to use the new consumables on old torches. I’m asking if I buy a machine torch for a synchro, with the whole unit work on an older Duramax hypertherm 85 machine? I know it won’t communicate with it like a synchro unit.
 
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