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    '05+ Ford Super Duty Dana 60 Axle Tech & Info

    I'd like this thread to become the '05+ axle bible for tech and info.



    Since this is the next big project on my FSB...

    nOOB question:
    What do I need in order to swap a complete brake set up from an F-350 onto an F-550 axle?

    The 05+ F450/550 axles are wider but according to the below article, swapping to 8-lug SRW hubs narrows the track width by about 10 inches, which brings the axle width to 74". That's about 4-5" wider than an SRW Dana 60 from an 05+ F250/350.
    Part numbers for 1550 joint shafts.
    Right side assembly: 10013778

    Left side assembly: 10013781

    These #s are for the F250/350
    Good info:
    WEAVER FABRICATION has steering arms etc for the '05+ axles:
    weaverfabrication.com

    These guys both had the most complete steering setups from what i could find

    weaver fab will machine a stock knuckle and provide arm studs- everything minus balljoints it seems

    skys sells both passenger AND driver aftermarket reid knuckles WITH arms AND studs (only company that i could find to sell it all in one place)

    https://www.weaverfabrication.com/pr...-complete-kit/

    https://www.skysoffroaddesign.com/co...uckle-skys-arm
    There's a company that makes offset buckets for proper coil spring width, and radius arm brackets for using factory radius arms.

    https://www.rydmotorsports.com/produ...conversion-kit
    Another 1st page worthy note for people would be that 99-04 axles have smaller knuckles and cannot be swapped easily with the knuckles from 05+ axles

    with the difference in knuckles comes a difference in hubs and axle shafts as well, 99-04 has 30 spline outer and 05+ has 35 spline outer

    the 99-04 hubs and stub shafts are fairly long compared to the 05+ (i guess the 05+ are just really short in reality)

    also that 05+ to current axles are the same except in 2011 or 2012 to current they upgraded the size of the brakes, so an adapter or just the older style brakes are needed i believe (someone chime in on this)
    Noob question: what are the torque specs on the knuckle ball joints

    Noob answer: I found another forum saying to torque the bottom to ~44ftlb then the upper to ~70ftlb and then retorque the bottom to 150ftlb

    Link to info (hopefully links to unmentionables are ok)

    https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...ut-torque.html

    Tie Rod End —Inner, castellated nut....................90 Nm
    Tie Rod End —Inner, Sleeve Clamp Bolts................55 Nm
    Drag link to pitman arm nut.................148 ft-lb
    Inner & outer tie-rod end nuts................85 ft-lb
    Track bar bracket to frame.....................129 ft-lb
    Track bar to track bar bracket bolt............406 ft-lb
    Track bar to axle nut................................... 185 ft-lb
    Radius arm to axle bolts, and bracket nut.........222 ft-lb
    Pinion bearing preload..................................10-20 in-lb
    Pinion nut............................................... ..220-280 ft-lb
    Ring gear bolts............................................120-140 ft-lb
    Bearing cap bolts.........................................120-135 ft-lb
    Steel Diff cover bolts....................................30-40 ft-lb
    Cast aluminum diff cover bolts......................... 24 ft-lb
    Wheel lug nuts..........................................120-165 ft-lb
    Diff filler plug.............................................18 ft-lb
    Brakes, disc, front brake caliper pin bolts (2)......................42 ft-lb
    Brakes, disc, rear brake caliper pin bolts (2)......................27 ft-lb
    Brakes, front disc brake caliper anchor plate bolts (2)...........166 ft-lb
    Brakes, rear disc brake caliper anchor plate bolts (2)......128 ft-lb
    Brakes, Caliper Bleeder Screw................................13-18 ft-lb
    Shock Absorber (front)......................................76 ft-lb
    Shock Absorber (rear).....................................46 ft-lb
    Wheel Bearing/Hub Assembly Nuts (4).........135 ft-lb
    Stabilizer Bar Link Bolts.........................................85 ft-lb

    All Superdutys 99-08 that are singe rear wheel models use the 8x170mm bolt pattern.
    Old body style(OBS) is 8x6.5

    The 05-08's have larger brakes so the backspacing is different than the 99-04's.

    In 05 ...engineers to upsized brake rotors by 5 percent, to 347 mm in front and 340 mm in rear.

    Other improvements include larger calipers for both the F-250 and F-350. The front calipers have twin 60 mm pistons - up 11 percent from 2004 - for better braking feel. Rear calipers have twin 48 mm calipers on F-250 and twin 54 mm pistons on F-350 dual-rear-wheel models.

    BACK SPACING

    99-04......4"
    05-07.......18"and 20"(from the factory) have 5.80" BS, and the 17" have 5.50"

    00-04s came with 16s (unless it was a Harley Edition, they had 18s)...they don't clear the calipers on the 05-08s.
    A 04 HD wheel would fit on a 05-08 since they were 18s, but they had less backspacing so they sit further out of the wheel wells on 05-08s.

    05-08s fit on the 99-04, just rub on the leaf springs and sit further under the truck than they do on the 05-08.

    Offset is the location of the wheel mounting surface in relation to the true center of the wheel......normally in mm.
    Negative does move it inward.

    So....

    A 20x10 wheel with a 4.5" BackSpace will have approx -24 or -25mm offset.
    A 20x12 wheel with a 4.5" BackSpace will have approx -51mm offset.

    and some for the 10.50
    Differential bearing cap bolt 88
    Differential case half bolts 90
    Differential pinion shaft lock bolt 22
    Differential ring gear bolts 111
    Driveshaft flange bolt 76

    http://www.billavista.com/Tech/Artic...ble/index.html

    Part numbers for axle parts (not an inclusive list)
    Ball Joint Upper
    -Moog/XRF - K80026
    -Ford - 5C3Z-3049-AB (MCSOE-67) + Nut - F2TZ-3A049-A

    Ball Joint Lower
    -Moog/XRF - K8607T
    -Ford - 8C3Z-3050-C (MCSOE-51) + Nut - F2TZ-3A050-A + Snap Ring - EOTZ-3K050-B

    Updated Dust Shield
    -Ford - AC3Z-1S175-A (BRS-170)
    -Spicer - SS 53877

    Axle Seal
    -Ford - 5C3Z-3254-AA
    -Spicer - SS 2017426 (55474 old#)

    AutoLock Hub O-Ring kit (not needed since vacuum system won't be used)
    -Ford - 5C3Z-1K106-AB (complete kit with 2 o-rings, gasket, screws)

    Yellow Hub/Knuckle O-ring
    -Ford - 5C3Z-4A322-AA
    -Dana/Spicer - 54983

    U-Joint
    Spicer - SPL55-3X
    Spicer Greaseable - SPL55-4X

    Axle: 2005-2010 D60
    ***There is some confusion over the term "super 60". The true Super 60 is found on the F450/F550. The axle is wider, has larger knuckles, 10 lug adapters, some have a 10" ring gear and 1550 u-joints,etc.

    Axle Specs:
    -Tubes: 3.75" OD, 1/2" wall
    -WMS to WMS: 72"
    -Ring Gear: 9.75" (a 10" can be sourced from Ford in limited ratios)
    -Lug Pattern: 8x170
    -Wheel Studs: M14x1.50
    -Weight: Approximately 750lbs loaded with brakes
    -Axle shafts: 35 spline
    -U-joints: 1480
    -Tone ring: 60 tooth
    Redrill for sure. Mark Williams has a nice service for it. He will lighten them too if you want.

    https://markwilliams.com/50299L.html

    https://markwilliams.com/50299.html
    09-12 outer knuckle is stamped 9c34

    13-16 outer knuckle is stamped dc34

    Number is directly above lower ball joint outside of casting.
    Rotor needs to be off.
    Unit bearing dimensions

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    ** SET OF 4 ** EMF DANA 60 UPPER AND LOWER BALL JOINTS

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    https://emfballjoints.com/collection...er-ball-joints


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    Great comparison of Kingpin vs 05+:
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    Last edited by CDA 455 II; 08-23-2020, 11:51 AM.
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    #2
    Just sell the f550 axle and buy a 250/350. No reason to go 550 unless you want to be stupid wide. If that’s the case I saw Jake burkey is making a brake kit for them.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Yjallday8 View Post
      Just sell the f550 axle and buy a 250/350. No reason to go 550 unless you want to be stupid wide. If that’s the case I saw Jake burkey is making a brake kit for them.
      Availability issue in my area.

      Price is also a factor; people want the F-250/350 axle more.
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        #4
        Originally posted by CDA 455 II View Post

        Availability issue in my area.

        Price is also a factor; people want the F-250/350 axle more.
        There's a reason. Don't think I would want wider than the 250/350 axle.

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          #5
          This would be a great opportunity for the OP to copy all the good tech littered in the 100+ pages on pirate and organize here with links to good tech posts in the original post...

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            #6
            Originally posted by '84 Bronco II View Post
            This would be a great opportunity for the OP to copy all the good tech littered in the 100+ pages on pirate and organize here with links to good tech posts in the original post...
            Yeah; I saw that coming!


            I browsed that thread yesterday; between the photobucket fuck up and now the website upgrade, said threads pics are almost non-existent.
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              #7
              Originally posted by '84 Bronco II View Post
              This would be a great opportunity for the OP to copy all the good tech littered in the 100+ pages on pirate and organize here with links to good tech posts in the original post...
              i think the first 30 pages are outdated info, a fresh up to date start would be nice
              Byro-
              Nothing is for sale man, I’m a curator of the finest junk.

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                #8
                https://www.summitracing.com/parts/SDH-10013778

                https://www.summitracing.com/parts/SDH-10013781

                https://www.summitracing.com/parts/SDH-708238

                axle and ball joint links from summit for a cheap axle rebuild

                edit: these are for the standard width f250/f350 axles (72" wms)

                a true super 60 (f450/f550) front axle is wider than 72" and comes with 1550 u joints stock

                there are standard width axles under some f450/f550, which is what these axles are stock replacements for


                update from page 3 for when these links die

                Originally posted by Toreadorranger View Post
                Part numbers for 1550 joint shafts.

                Right side assembly: 10013778

                Left side assembly: 10013781
                Last edited by Arickvan; 05-21-2020, 05:34 PM.
                Byro-
                Nothing is for sale man, I’m a curator of the finest junk.

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                  #9
                  nOOB question:
                  I would need to replace the axles?


                  Thanks for the links.
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                    #10
                    not much tech in this bible

                    theres some good info in here
                    https://www.jkowners.com/threads/200...-bible.268018/

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by CDA 455 II View Post

                      nOOB question:
                      I would need to replace the axles?


                      Thanks for the links.
                      n00b answer:

                      no but replacing with the axles listed above will give you the larger 1550 u-joints and the upgraded outer dust seals
                      Byro-
                      Nothing is for sale man, I’m a curator of the finest junk.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Arickvan View Post

                        n00b answer:

                        no but replacing with the axles listed above will give you the larger 1550 u-joints and the upgraded outer dust seals
                        Friggin' awesome; thanks!
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                          #13
                          another 1st page worthy note for people would be that 99-04 axles have smaller knuckles and cannot be swapped easily with the knuckles from 05+ axles

                          with the difference in knuckles comes a difference in hubs and axle shafts as well, 99-04 has 30 spline outer and 05+ has 35 spline outer

                          the 99-04 hubs and stub shafts are fairly long compared to the 05+ (i guess the 05+ are just really short in reality)

                          also that 05+ to current axles are the same except in 2011 or 2012 to current they upgraded the size of the brakes, so an adapter or just the older style brakes are needed i believe (someone chime in on this)
                          Byro-
                          Nothing is for sale man, I’m a curator of the finest junk.

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                            #14
                            i dont want to pimp specific companies too much but i think both of these were good contributors on that other site that shall not be named (weaver was for sure)

                            anyway, these guys both had the most complete steering setups from what i could find

                            weaver fab will machine a stock knuckle and provide arm studs- everything minus balljoints it seems

                            skys sells both passenger AND driver aftermarket reid knuckles WITH arms AND studs (only company that i could find to sell it all in one place)

                            https://www.weaverfabrication.com/pr...-complete-kit/

                            https://www.skysoffroaddesign.com/co...uckle-skys-arm
                            Byro-
                            Nothing is for sale man, I’m a curator of the finest junk.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Arickvan View Post
                              i dont want to pimp specific companies too much but i think both of these were good contributors on that other site that shall not be named (weaver was for sure)

                              anyway, these guys both had the most complete steering setups from what i could find

                              weaver fab will machine a stock knuckle and provide arm studs- everything minus balljoints it seems

                              skys sells both passenger AND driver aftermarket reid knuckles WITH arms AND studs (only company that i could find to sell it all in one place)

                              https://www.weaverfabrication.com/pr...-complete-kit/

                              https://www.skysoffroaddesign.com/co...uckle-skys-arm
                              HOLY TOLEDO!!1!
                              That's what I'm talking about!



                              I really hope those vendors migrate over here.
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