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    Barndominium or Shopdominium Steel Building Experience?

    I am purchasing 46.5 acres in northern Arizona near Kingman off Stockton Hill Rd. I have been going up there for 10 years looking at property and finally found what I want. The plan is to eventually build a shopdominium there and slowly relocate there. Property has utilities to it and a great well. I am going to have a couple of RV pads put in soon so I can spend time there and figure out where I want to build. I want to keep the property as pristine as possible since its in the end of a pretty little valley backed up by the Cerbat mountains, state land on 2.5 sides and BLM land behind that. I have been working on the residence/shop for about a year and think I have it to where I can send the plans to a builder to finalize.

    I am looking for a good builder to help design and build this
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    or this
    Click image for larger version  Name:	My Man Cave v3.jpg Views:	0 Size:	174.4 KB ID:	76348 It will probably end up being the second 3-room design. It is a empty-nester type house. If the RV pads I am having done are not covered up by the building site, they will have utilities run to them and be there for friends to come stay awhile. The main patio will be straight off the roofline of the residence with lots of outdoor space. Pool/spa to be built later if at all. The "H" looking thing in the shop is a 2 post lift.

    Also don't know much about how much space and dirt work I would need to build this house, but I am thinking that the pad would have to be about twice the size of the building at a minimum.

    Picture hanging out on the patio cooking some steaks overlooking this view. This is about mid-point in the property, I would want to build as far back as possible.

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    Last edited by BDK; 07-20-2020, 01:07 PM.

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    A view of property from one side, and up into the mountains. In the last pic you can see the roof of the only other house on the end of the road.
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      #3
      Plan 1.

      If you can make the trailer parking pull through it makes life a lot easier.

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        #4
        I would be leery having any bedroom near the welding/fab corner. I live in a 1600 sq/ft house now with the garage and bedrooms on opposite corners and get yelled at for being too loud. I could imagine the racket that I would stir up with only 1 wall between me and the family.

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          #5
          Urinal and sink in shop. Door on master toilet unless you and your significant other are ok shitting in front of each other.

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            #6
            The shop dimensions looks to be 54' X 60'?

            It's not big enough.

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              #7
              I like how the exploder is on the lift.

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                #8
                Originally posted by gddyap View Post
                Urinal and sink in shop. Door on master toilet unless you and your significant other are ok shitting in front of each other.
                Both of those. Also I'd wall off the master closet, I don't want shit smell or steam from the shower getting into clothing. I'd sacrifice some of the master bedroom space for that stuff. Add some more closets, you have none in the main common space. Put a man door somewhere on the shop for the 2nd design.

                Edit: I'd also move the cook-top and add a pot filler to that wall.
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                  #9
                  If you go with option 2, swap the office and the bedroom and add a door to the shop. This will let the office service the shop and the house.

                  And that area just looks HOT. budget lots of insulation and AC for the shop.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by grumpy356 View Post
                    If you go with option 2, swap the office and the bedroom and add a door to the shop. This will let the office service the shop and the house.

                    And that area just looks HOT. budget lots of insulation and AC for the shop.
                    Boy, good call. That's exactly right.

                    >Cerbat mountains

                    It's in the Mojave Desert He's going to need 16 tons of A/C and R-1000 batting. Might as well build two buildings one inside the other.

                    Here's what I don't understand about the Southwest: Why don't they build a separate roof over their houses and buildings? Just putting shade on the building with about 4' of headspace would slash their cooling costs. I know it's an entire extra roof but damn.

                    Plus he needs the open awnings all the way around the sun sides of the shop. Those are offered as an option for usually one side, for outdoor storage, but the cooling effects of shading the walls will be a huge boon. Plus storage.

                    Like this but all the way around:



                    That's how they used to build houses down South and out west.

                    edit; Oh I see he does have the extended roofline but I'd do it on the shop too, especially if it's not a/c'd.
                    Last edited by evernoob; 07-20-2020, 04:06 PM.

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                      #11
                      Extend the eve/lean to/shed roof around all sides. As much insulation as you can get in the roof and east/west walls. Ridge vent in the shop.

                      DO NOT build a low pitch roof. 4/12 or greater, with at least a 12"-24" eve. Depending on your end walls, you can do 6-10' eve extension, side walls would have to be a lean to or shed roof.

                      I have a 80x100 with eve extensions and shed roofs, 16' side walls, 1/12 roof with 12" of insulation in all wall of the living area, 6"+ insulation in the shop. My shop is fully liner paneled, living area is 2x6 walls, 7/16 osb,5/8 sheetrock, with liner panel on the shop side. I have a kitchen, bathrooms, closets, all on the wall facing the shop to help with noise. you do not heat anything in the living area from the shop.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by bdkw1 View Post
                        Plan 1.

                        If you can make the trailer parking pull through it makes life a lot easier.
                        The center bay has roll up doors on both sides

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                          #13
                          What is your county standards like up there for code?
                          I had a plan similar to yours, however once you live in it the county considers it a residence and totally changed the requirements for the building and got extremely expensive.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Chkn View Post
                            I would be leery having any bedroom near the welding/fab corner. I live in a 1600 sq/ft house now with the garage and bedrooms on opposite corners and get yelled at for being too loud. I could imagine the racket that I would stir up with only 1 wall between me and the family.
                            Don't care. Living space is almost 2,000 square feet

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by grumpy356 View Post
                              If you go with option 2, swap the office and the bedroom and add a door to the shop. This will let the office service the shop and the house.

                              And that area just looks HOT. budget lots of insulation and AC for the shop.
                              I like the idea of swapping the office and extra bedroom, but was thinking I wanted the view from the office. There is a killer view all the way around this place, so that might work.

                              There is a mud room with a bathroom and sink, and washer/dryer that separates the shop from the living area. I figured that will take care of the shop bathroom.

                              Its at almost 4,000 feet elevation. I was there on one of the hottest days of the year and it was close to 20 degrees cooler than Kingman city. I'm not sure what you would consider hot. This area gets about 10 degrees hotter in the summer and 20 degrees cooler in the winter than where I live in San Diego.

                              There is to be a patio extended around the living area, like this
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                              But with the front open like this,
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                              But as much glass as I can afford with the inside/outside fireplace like this but one story
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                              Is the shop space really too small? I have been working out of two and three bay garages most of my life and it seems huge.
                              Last edited by BDK; 07-20-2020, 07:25 PM.

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