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    Holocaust denial?

    So the person I'm working with right now is somebody I've known for years, but not known really well. We've done a handful of jobs together over that time frame at different companies, and we know a certain amount about each other from the conversations we've had during those times, but I wouldn't say we're in any way close.

    During a discussion of COVID, protests, electronic tracking, vaccinations, government incompetence, etc. (you know, typical conversations you have with people you don't know that well) he admitted that he is a "partial" holocaust denier in a passing comment. I think we were specifically talking about mandatory vaccination at that point. A chance has not presented itself to follow up this aspect of the conversation to explore this rabbit hole, and get a proper summary of what exactly "partial" holocaust denial means, but I can make some assumptions.

    So, does anyone here either fully or partially deny the holocaust? Or know (like actually know, not "I saw it on the TV/CNN/Internet" know) anyone that does? How exactly do you, or they, justify this? What exactly is "partial" holocaust denial anyways?

    To clarify what "Holocaust" means in the context of my post, I am referring to the systematic displacement and elimination (murder) of some 6~ million Jews between 1940-1945~ by the Nazi Party of the then Germany (German Reich, or "Nazi Germany" as it is often referred to) nation and her allies, under orders of Hitler, Himmler, Eichmann, Et al.

    #2
    I worked with a guy from Sweden (became a US citizen) who was aware of the camps (used to give them food pkges over the fence) but believed the 6 million deaths number is too much...

    From reading history, I think the Jews stole the Ukraine genocide & passed it off as their own-

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      #3
      Millions of Americans deny the crimes committed by socialist/communist regimes. Does that count?

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        #4
        Originally posted by det107 View Post
        I worked with a guy from Sweden (became a US citizen) who was aware of the camps (used to give them food pkges over the fence) but believed the 6 million deaths number is too much...

        From reading history, I think the Jews stole the Ukraine genocide & passed it off as their own-
        Hmm.

        Originally posted by Mikel View Post
        Millions of Americans deny the crimes committed by socialist/communist regimes. Does that count?
        Millions deny that the Nazi party was in fact a socialist party and instead paint them as only being nationalists or fascists. I do actually agree with the argument that you are denying an aspect of the Holocaust by denying the link to socialism. Is that what counts as being a "partial" denier?

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          #5
          I'd think "partial" could easily mean that he disputes the number or disputes the support/involvement from the general german population.

          but anybody that would lead with "partial denier" would be interesting to talk to in a likely batshit kind of way.


          Up is difficult, down is dangerous

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            #6
            Originally posted by Provience View Post
            I'd think "partial" could easily mean that he disputes the number or disputes the support/involvement from the general german population.

            but anybody that would lead with "partial denier" would be interesting to talk to in a likely batshit kind of way.
            I agree. Sounds like it might be a fun can of worms to open up.

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              #7
              I went to Aushwitz a few months ago. It was a humbling experience. I don't understand how people don't believe it happened but then again there is Antifa so people believe stupid crap.

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                #8
                Originally posted by SLOWPOKE693 View Post

                I agree. Sounds like it might be a fun can of worms to open up.
                Yeah, I'm hoping to get the chance.


                For the people who deny/dispute the numbers, or say "they make it out to be that only Jews were killed", it is officially recognized that around 6 million Jews were killed, and around 7.5 million "others" on top of that. So less than 50% of those who were killed were Jews. If you took history in high school, they likely made it sound like 98% of those killed were Jews, along with a few gypsies and gay men. At least certainly the high school I went to did. High school history is unfortunately either too condensed, too dumbed down, or perhaps is presented with a certain amount of bias to accurately reflect what is commonly believed by actual historians. I may be a "partial" denier for making that statement too, although I do not believe it was any sort of a Jewish conspiracy to steal the limelight from the other people who were killed. I think post-war Jewish groups were far more organized when it came to demanding recognition, and with the rise of the Iron Curtain the death of certain Eastern Europeans was largely ignored by the public in the west, and publications aimed at schools are inherently biased towards lobby groups as their selection is often based on the interests of those groups versus the interest of presenting history with as little bias as possible.

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                  #9
                  A what denial?
                  Byro-
                  Nothing is for sale man, I’m a curator of the finest junk.

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                    #10
                    I'm no denier, but we are currently watching history be re-written to fit the left wing media's desires. Makes you wonder what else in the standard history book is complete crap.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by jpmassey View Post
                      I'm no denier, but we are currently watching history be re-written to fit the left wing media's desires. Makes you wonder what else in the standard history book is complete crap.
                      There is so much truth in this statement...

                      Back to the OP...

                      Believe it happened, yes.

                      Correct numbers, I have no fucking clue.


                      But as stated earlier, do we really think about all the “others”? All I ever remember from schooling didn’t have much to do with the “others”.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Scott Cee aka 2drx4 View Post

                        Yeah, I'm hoping to get the chance.


                        For the people who deny/dispute the numbers, or say "they make it out to be that only Jews were killed", it is officially recognized that around 6 million Jews were killed, and around 7.5 million "others" on top of that. So less than 50% of those who were killed were Jews. If you took history in high school, they likely made it sound like 98% of those killed were Jews, along with a few gypsies and gay men. At least certainly the high school I went to did. High school history is unfortunately either too condensed, too dumbed down, or perhaps is presented with a certain amount of bias to accurately reflect what is commonly believed by actual historians. I may be a "partial" denier for making that statement too, although I do not believe it was any sort of a Jewish conspiracy to steal the limelight from the other people who were killed. I think post-war Jewish groups were far more organized when it came to demanding recognition, and with the rise of the Iron Curtain the death of certain Eastern Europeans was largely ignored by the public in the west, and publications aimed at schools are inherently biased towards lobby groups as their selection is often based on the interests of those groups versus the interest of presenting history with as little bias as possible.
                        I wouldn't consider myself a partial denier, but I was also taught in a way that made it seem like all the nazi's killed were jews. Adding to that amount to say that they killed ~half jews doesn't diminish the amount of jews they killed, it was just a realization later in life that the nazis were a bad fucking deal in a great many ways.


                        Up is difficult, down is dangerous

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                          #13
                          I was taught some philosophy from Mao but not about the 10’s of millions of people he killed while in HS. I was already properly educated to who Mao was but that was the first real mention besides a brief naming of rulers of China but no significance.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Provience View Post

                            I wouldn't consider myself a partial denier, but I was also taught in a way that made it seem like all the nazi's killed were jews. Adding to that amount to say that they killed ~half jews doesn't diminish the amount of jews they killed, it was just a realization later in life that the nazis were a bad fucking deal in a great many ways.
                            That's the thing, in no way do I feel I'm detracting from the Jewish suffering and loss by pointing out that they made up a little less than half the people who were killed. It's still an extreme amount, and it was obvious that they were specifically targeted, and Jewish populations were effectively removed from entire areas under German control. I don't feel I'm denying anything, but I could see *some* people interpreting it that way. Perhaps that's what my coworker meant, probably not though. I think the current fringe left leans pretty hard towards antisemitism, while at the same time trying to paint other people as Nazis and Holocaust deniers, and really I think they're the only people who would make the illogical argument that a statement like that is in any way denial of the Holocaust.

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                              #15
                              https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000467417499

                              pretty interesting listen

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