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    https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/...ism-narrative/

    #2
    Been wondering that myself. Is it racism or just an asshole entitled cop?
    If they stick with a murder 1 charge i think the cop could walk on that if the defense can show that george would not have died if he had not taken the drugs he was on. I believe the autopsy said lethal doses of meth and fentanyl.

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      #3
      I believe it was an asshole cop..He had several new cops with him and wanted to show how to deal with a problem using a not forbidden neck hold..

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        #4
        Originally posted by Truckedup View Post
        I believe it was an asshole cop..He had several new cops with him and wanted to show how to deal with a problem using a not forbidden neck hold..
        Agreed

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          #5
          Asshole cop. I haven't seen anything that makes him a racist

          Thao I am not sure about. He seems like a follower and not much more. I have read much about him honestly, which in todays world mean there probably isn't anything.

          The other two, Kueng and Lane, will get off without anything except maybe some communtiy service. They were both fresh on the job and had zero pull to do anything, even though they asked reasonable questions as to Floyd's condition. A jury will see they are not complicit

          I cannot see how there is not reasonable doubt against a murder charge, or even manslaughter.

          Floyd has heart issues and respitory issues from Covid. Took an unhealthy amount of Fent and meth, was buying cigarettes so he smoked, police used an approved and common "chokehold" and couldn't have known all of his conditions.

          On those facts, I couldn't convict of murder or mansluaghter. Maybe being an asshole but the police dept. saw him as not an asshole and a "good cop" as he was a training officer.

          Again, he broke no rules or policies of the PD and certainly didn't break a law.

          Could he and should he have let up when the guy was subdued? Absolutely. He didn't though from the video although I am not sure that we can ever know how much pressure was actually being applied.
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            #6
            Asshole cop combined with typical police training that preaches escalation of force. Plus the mentality that comes from an overly militarized police force that creates an "us versus them" mindset.
            You could not have asked for a more diverse group of cops to kill a black man unless you through a woman in there, which makes this racism narrative so fucking frustrating to play out. And soooooo many people are so fucking stupid that they follow right along.

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              #7
              Originally posted by dntsdad View Post
              Again, he broke no rules or policies of the PD and certainly didn't break a law.
              and if that's the one thing that all these idiots learn from this, it should be that.



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                #8
                Theres only a handful of people that know the facts of the entire situation, the rest is speculation based off a video. This trial will be interesting and get ready for LA riots X 1million. Brent Weinstein has some interesting and thought provoking ideas on this situation.
                Every major institution is against you and will let you die!
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                  #9
                  It was a lie from day one. Absolutely no evidence the death was racially motivated. Hence why it was so disturbing to see companies like Amazon pedaling the BLM fraud. Now we are taking Aunt Jemima off the shelves, tearing down historic statues, banning movies and books, renaming building and airports, all for a racist LIE perpetuated by dirty, criminal blacks and the corrupt radical left. This evils actions must be stopped. We all know it has been ALLOWED to spread like the cancer it is. Probably already too late for our country. Hopefully there are still patriots out there that won't succumb to desecration of our nation quietly.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Truckedup View Post
                    https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/...ism-narrative/




                    This narrative is driving the nation to ruin.

                    Have you seen that mountain of evidence that Derek Chauvin is a racist? Me neither.

                    In that regard, I’m like the Wall Street Journal’s fearlessly fact-driven Jason Riley. Did some shred of racial animus motivate the since-fired Minneapolis police officer’s killing of George Floyd? For the moment, we have no proof of that — just a racialist narrative built on the happenstance (no reason to believe it’s more than that right now) that Chauvin is white and Floyd was black.

                    These days, alas, mere happenstance is enough to tear this nation asunder.

                    As an old investigator, I am intrigued by the fact that Minnesota attorney general Keith Ellison has refused to disclose police body-cam video of the moments leading up to Chauvin’s disturbing neck hold. Ditto the fact — highlighted in my analyses of the charges filed against the arresting officers (here and here) — that the state’s minute-by-minute recitation of probable cause omits whatever went on between Floyd and police inside the squad-car. Surely, if they helped the prosecution’s police-brutality allegations, those gaps in the complaint would have been filled.

                    Similarly, the fact that Minnesota police procedures permitted the use of neck holds for suspects resisting arrest has disappeared from the reporting. No chatter permitted, either, about the facts that Floyd (a) had a significant criminal record (though no new charges in recent years), (b) was suspected of passing a small amount of counterfeit money at the time of his arrest, and (c) was high on fentanyl and methamphetamine — a toxic combination whose ingestion was particularly dangerous for a person with his heart conditions.

                    Silence on these matters is partially explained by the admirably widespread desire not to besmirch a tragic victim, as well as the Left’s more-narrow determination to martyr Floyd for purposes of their police-racism narrative. The subject is also verboten, though, because the police were inconveniently recorded discussing their fear that Floyd might be experiencing excited-delirium syndrome. When police suspect that dangerous condition, their training calls for restraining the arrestee until emergency medical personnel arrive.


                    Trump to Sign Police Reform Executive Order on Tuesday


                    I’ve expressed my concern that the case against the former Minneapolis police is both overcharged and undercharged. Others have taken the overcharging argument further than I have — and persuasively so (see this thoughtful, comprehensive analysis by Gavrilo David). None of this means the prosecution of the now-fired cops is illegitimate. To the contrary, it underscores the wisdom of the original charges, filed before the notoriously demagogic Ellison entered the fray. In them, prosecutors took pains to include a manslaughter charge along with depraved indifference murder. That is, the police were not trying to kill this man. His death, to which his own poor judgment contributed, resulted from police negligence, possibly severe enough to rise to recklessness. But to this moment, there is no reason to believe his death was intentional, much less a modern-day “lynching” motivated by racial animus.

                    Yet the racism narrative is driving the nation to ruin.

                    The defamation that police are institutionally racist because America is indelibly racist has opened a potentially unbridgeable chasm. It is abetted by two national character flaws. The first is our gravitation to political leaders capable only of making matters worse by their spitefulness and Manichean posturing.

                    The second is our increasingly manifest conviction that we are not worth defending. We seem convinced that there is no positive case to be made for a society that idealizes liberty and the equal dignity of every person. For a society that does not pretend to be perfect, but that strives to be better. A society that confesses its sin and works toward redemption: spilling its blood to end slavery, fighting to end de jure racism, and rejecting racial discrimination as a socially acceptable attitude.

                    If we do not believe we are worth preserving — humbled by our flaws, yes, but duly proud of our virtues and our historic accomplishments — we will not be preserved.

                    This week’s farce on Capitol Hill was not a hopeful sign.

                    I admire Senator Tim Scott. His life story, recently told in moving detail by the WSJs Tunku Varadarajan, is an inspiration. Yet his police-reform legislation was far from inspirational. Sure, it should have been debated. Democrats are cynical — surprise!— to block its consideration, the better to keep riding the racism wave they expect to make an anti-Trump tsunami by November (and, as usual, getting no small amount of help from the president). But the best you can say for Scott’s proposal was that it would do no real harm.

                    Republicans had no intention of pushing back against the slander of institutional racism. They have no stomach for trumpeting the 30-year revolution in policing that, by dramatically driving down homicide and violent crime, has saved thousands of black lives. They would not rouse themselves to a defense of police forces that, reflective of their communities, boast high percentages of African-American officers and, in many major cities, of African-American leadership. No case was made that those black lives matter, too.

                    Instead, Republicans accept the premise that the nation’s police forces are infected with racism and in desperate need of reform. The GOP won’t dictate to the states, as a bill passed by House Democrats’ would. But Republicans would use federal funding as the prod for state data-gathering on police uses of force. Given that policing is a state responsibility, and that the use of force is a necessary component of it, the only rational purpose of this federal scrutiny is the conceit that police violence is triggered by racism, not by the imperative of countering aggressive criminal behavior.

                    You might think Congress would want to test that proposition before hamstringing police in a way that will inevitably endanger American communities. Nope.

                    The Republican cravenness makes it that much easier for Democrats to go all the way with the narrative. The Democratic legislation has no chance of being enacted in law — at least not until the Democrats retake the Senate and do away with the filibuster so President Biden can sign their grand designs into law. But “reforming” police by legislation is not the objective.

                    The point is for the Biden Justice Department to pick up where the Obama Justice Department left off.

                    As I pointed out at the time, the Obama Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division made a habit of slipstreaming behind race-tinged controversies, commencing investigations of state and local police departments. They would file lawsuits under a Clinton-era law that permits the Justice Department to sue municipalities based on any alleged “pattern or practice” that deprives people of their federal rights. States, cities, and towns cannot afford to go toe-to-toe with the Justice Department and its $30 billion annual budget. So they would settle by agreeing to consent decrees in which they’d be obliged to conform to Obama-prescribed policing — in with police as social workers whose community “legitimacy” hinges on confessing their “implicit bias”; out with “broken windows.”

                    The headline grabbers in the Democrats’ police-reform package were bans on chokeholds and no-knock warrants (the federal jurisdiction for such mandates remains mysterious), as well as the gutting of “qualified immunity,” which would make it easier to sue police. Less well noticed were the legislation’s data-gathering provisions. They are similar to Scott’s, except Democrats want more information about forcible police encounters, and they want that information broken down by race.

                    The object of the game is patent. Using the hocus-pocus of “disparate impact” theory, Democrats will argue that the disproportionately high percentage of black males in forcible police incidents is conclusive evidence of racism. Such factors as disproportionately high incidence of criminal behavior, and the race (often black) of the responding police officers will be ignored (the individual’s race makes no difference, you see, if the institution is racist — indeed, incorrigibly so). This distorted number crunching will make it even more prohibitive for states and their municipalities to challenge Justice Department lawsuits. They will concede and sign on the dotted line: “reform” by consent decree.

                    That is how you project racism without proving racism. It is not hard for the side that relishes the battle, especially when the other side’s specialty is preemptive surrender.
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by the conservative atheist View Post
                      It was a lie from day one. Absolutely no evidence the death was racially motivated. Hence why it was so disturbing to see companies like Amazon pedaling the BLM fraud. Now we are taking Aunt Jemima off the shelves, tearing down historic statues, banning movies and books, renaming building and airports, all for a racist LIE perpetuated by dirty, criminal blacks and the corrupt radical left. This evils actions must be stopped. We all know it has been ALLOWED to spread like the cancer it is. Probably already too late for our country. Hopefully there are still patriots out there that won't succumb to desecration of our nation quietly.
                      Companies could give 2 fucks about any of these causes. They just want to pander to the mobs to keep their shit from being burned and keep people buying their stuff.

                      This is a bizarre religious style movement. Interesting you keep humans bottled up and away from each other and force feed them fear mongering and propaganda and some emerge as a bunch of religious style zealots. You have an evil you cant really define (systemic racism is the satan style construct), you must shout down and destroy the agents of this (police, people in charge that havent repented), public confessions, martyrs and arguably a jesus like figure, chants, slogans, public gatherings that supercede health risk and other types of gatherings, gospel meant to convert the non believers, and deeming symbolism as pagan that must be destroyed. The scary part is this is sponsored, or at least allowed to happen, by the corporate run state. I used to think religion was born out of people that were afraid to die and needed a way to explain the sun and weather events and other unexplainable events, my thoughts are changing on all this.
                      Every major institution is against you and will let you die!
                      - Tim Dillon

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                        #12
                        BLM is nothing but a tool, a vehicle, to advance a liberal/leftist/progressive political agenda. Period; paragraph.


                        They don't give a flyin' fuck about black lives.
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by CDA 455 II View Post
                          BLM is nothing but a tool, a vehicle, to advance a liberal/leftist/progressive political agenda. Period; paragraph.


                          They don't give a flyin' fuck about black lives.

                          This.

                          If you notice, everyfawkinbody was on board regarding the Floyd incident, that should not be happening.

                          At some point things became more divided, which also seems to be around the same time politicians and interest groups started talking.

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                            #14
                            Why didn't Mrs. Derek Chauvin bail out her hubby? Instead, she filed for divorce.

                            Gee.... I wonder why-

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by det107 View Post
                              Why didn't Mrs. Derek Chauvin bail out her hubby? Instead, she filed for divorce.

                              Gee.... I wonder why-
                              Lots of divorces every day for good reason and for stupid reasons to those on the outside.

                              Wife leaving means absolutely nothing...........or it means a lot.

                              If you have inside info, please share. If not, then what is your point?
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