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    #46
    Originally posted by crisbee1 View Post

    Phoenix elevation 1085 ft. The city is infested with Californians that couldn't make it in California (they all say they left because Ca. rules suck, reality is most of them couldn't make it it the shithole they created) and tan people from other countries.
    Maynard- "learn to swim, see you down in Arizona bay..."

    Well goddam. Its gonna suck if Arizona bay is mostly California transplants. The whole point of the song was mother nature was going to murder the fuck out of millions of Californians thus making the world a better place.

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      #47
      Originally posted by DannyK View Post
      They think it was related to fresh water runoff from retreating glaciers. It is just a theory.
      If the retreating glaciers were melted by warmer temps, then a change in ocean currents could not have caused the warming, as the warming would have precluded the change in ocean currents.

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        #48
        Originally posted by MuntCuffin View Post

        If the retreating glaciers were melted by warmer temps, then a change in ocean currents could not have caused the warming, as the warming would have precluded the change in ocean currents.

        what do you think caused the younger dryas?

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          #49
          Originally posted by DannyK View Post


          what do you think caused the younger dryas?
          Asteroid impacts.

          Probably the one that created the Hiawatha impact crater.
          Last edited by MuntCuffin; 1 week ago.

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            #50
            Originally posted by 45acp View Post

            Maynard- "learn to swim, see you down in Arizona bay..."

            Well goddam. Its gonna suck if Arizona bay is mostly California transplants. The whole point of the song was mother nature was going to murder the fuck out of millions of Californians thus making the world a better place.
            that's only going to work if they (likely) build a massive levy system to maintain Los Angeles at it's current level, and then once they've had enough decades of neglect and continued ocean rise, then they can fail dramatically and kill millions of CA'ians


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              #51
              Originally posted by Provience View Post

              that's only going to work if they (likely) build a massive levy system to maintain Los Angeles at it's current level, and then once they've had enough decades of neglect and continued ocean rise, then they can fail dramatically and kill millions of CA'ians
              You can believe in science, I will believe in Reverend Maynard's peyote trip the day before that song was written. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

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                #52
                Originally posted by 45acp View Post

                You can believe in science, I will believe in Reverend Maynard's peyote trip the day before that song was written. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
                we are both hoping for the same thing, and they called the NewOrleans flood a while back an Act of God, so i'm optimistic the good Reverend will still be correct


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                  #53
                  Follow the money. What is stopping us as a nation from moving swiftly towards energy independence and demanding cleaner, sustainable sources. Why do we as a nation continue to enrich Saudi Arabia, etc. Not to mention fight wars for access to resources. It seems like win win to provide american jobs building the infrastructure and move towards a better future with cleaner air, and water.

                  I think it is Wall Street and massive lobbying efforts by entrenched domestic and foreign interests that continue to supress progress.

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                    #54
                    Originally posted by 67forf View Post
                    Follow the money. What is stopping us as a nation from moving swiftly towards energy independence and demanding cleaner, sustainable sources. Why do we as a nation continue to enrich Saudi Arabia, etc. Not to mention fight wars for access to resources. It seems like win win to provide american jobs building the infrastructure and move towards a better future with cleaner air, and water.

                    I think it is Wall Street and massive lobbying efforts by entrenched domestic and foreign interests that continue to supress progress.
                    let me know when we start getting heavy into clean renewable manufacturing that isn't coal or gas or oil.

                    i'd rather support saudi arabia and other gulf states than china


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                      #55
                      Originally posted by 67forf
                      First thing I found when I googled clean renewable manufacturing:

                      https://www.energy.gov/eere/videos/e...-manufacturing

                      In your view how does China fit into all this?

                      I'm not suggesting we could do away with oil, but there are many things we can do to improve.
                      meh, all that says is "things that don't yet exist or have proven viability might do the things we would like to see"

                      https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...rld-s-largest/

                      as opposed to what is actually happening today, in reality land.

                      While Goldwind maintains a North American headquarters in Chicago and has provided turbines to several U.S. wind farms, BNEF said that almost all of the company’s recent growth was in the Chinese market, where wind power developers are riding an unprecedented boom. About 29 GW of new capacity came online in China last year alone

                      ...
                      “It’s hardly surprising that five Chinese manufacturers made the top 10 ranking in a year where China contributed roughly half of the global capacity,” said Amy Grace, head of wind research for BNEF. “It is more surprising how dominant Goldwind was in its domestic market. The company commissioned more than 2 ½ times the amount of capacity as the next largest Chinese manufacturer, Guodian.”
                      does just having a headquarter building in Chicago count as USA manufacturing? I don't think so, but i guess that is better than the other HALF of the industry that is wholly chinese


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                        #56
                        I don't understand your opinion. China leads in manufacturing so we shouldn't bother? China developing more wind farms is bad?

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                          #57
                          Originally posted by 67forf View Post
                          I don't understand your opinion. China leads in manufacturing so we shouldn't bother? China developing more wind farms is bad?
                          i'm saying that what is being proposed by the biden team is trash and that oil avoidance is less important than domestic energy independence and currently there isn't enough "green" whatever domestic manufacturing to be meaningful enough.

                          should we pursue it? sure, yeah, no question. Should we put an arbitrary cap on it and encourage shit like statewide ICE bans? no, gavin newsom can eat a dick


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                            #58
                            Originally posted by Provience View Post

                            i'm saying that what is being proposed by the biden team is trash and that oil avoidance is less important than domestic energy independence and currently there isn't enough "green" whatever domestic manufacturing to be meaningful enough.

                            should we pursue it? sure, yeah, no question. Should we put an arbitrary cap on it and encourage shit like statewide ICE bans? no, gavin newsom can eat a bullet
                            fify
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                              #59
                              Originally posted by 67forf View Post
                              Follow the money. What is stopping us as a nation from moving swiftly towards energy independence and demanding cleaner, sustainable sources. Why do we as a nation continue to enrich Saudi Arabia, etc. Not to mention fight wars for access to resources. It seems like win win to provide american jobs building the infrastructure and move towards a better future with cleaner air, and water.

                              I think it is Wall Street and massive lobbying efforts by entrenched domestic and foreign interests that continue to supress progress.
                              How much do you want to pay as a consumer? Changing energy sources costs 100s of billions in infrastructure. Unless the price starts dictating (like natural gas replacing coal) changing why do you want to pay more? China and europe doesn't have the resources or infrastructure we do so they have to go that way. We don't, so why not let them pay for the initial expense and then move in the direction that makes the most sense when it makes the most sense?

                              The last time we demanded the government did something they banned oil fired power plants and started pushing coal fired power plants which are supposedly terrible now. Do you really want to be fixing another government screwup in 40 years?

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                                #60
                                Originally posted by Provience View Post

                                it's almost like the eco system is some sort of self regulating thing.

                                more co2 = more plants = more oxygen = more animals

                                carbon cycle, water cycle, life cycle, all kinds of fun stuff.
                                I have asked that question before, if CO2 is spiking, shouldn't trees and plants the growing larger and faster now? People look at me like I have an antler coming out of my head when I ask that.
                                Every major institution is against you and will let you die!
                                - Tim Dillon

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